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« Reply #75 on: January 16, 2016, 08:13:44 PM »

If this car won't run right with stock hardware, and a stock ecu file, why are we changing variables in the tune? To me it clearly seems fuel pressure/delivery related.
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« Reply #76 on: January 16, 2016, 08:15:29 PM »

If this car won't run right with stock hardware, and a stock ecu file, why are we changing variables in the tune? To me it clearly seems fuel pressure/delivery related.

Exactly.
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« Reply #77 on: January 16, 2016, 10:38:34 PM »

+99999999 if ud nullified the injector torque reduction new head at least
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« Reply #78 on: January 17, 2016, 12:12:00 AM »

I thought about checking fuel pressure. Not sure how one would do that tbh. Plumb a gauge post fpr?

Disconnect the rubber line going to the feed of the rail, and put a T in that. Connect the fuel pressure gauge to that T. Cable tie the gauge to the windshield wiper and go for a drive. Have a passenger record the run with a smartphone. Make sure you get the tach in the screen as well.
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« Reply #79 on: January 17, 2016, 02:50:23 AM »

Ok. Ill try and get that done tomorrow
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« Reply #80 on: January 18, 2016, 10:40:13 AM »

Disconnect the rubber line going to the feed of the rail, and put a T in that. Connect the fuel pressure gauge to that T. Cable tie the gauge to the windshield wiper and go for a drive. Have a passenger record the run with a smartphone. Make sure you get the tach in the screen as well.

or T in an electronic sender wire it to secondary o2 if coded out. log o2 voltage
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« Reply #81 on: January 19, 2016, 03:39:37 PM »

or T in an electronic sender wire it to secondary o2 if coded out. log o2 voltage

Electronic sender wire? Explain?

Update:
I was delayed due to not having the right fittings. Got fuel pressure data and it's all in spec.
Bentley manual (specs in PSI)
Fuel pressure at idle:36 aprox
Fuel pressure with FPR disconnected from manifold vacuum signal: 44 aprox
Fuel pressure residual after ignition is turned off (bleed down pressure): 29 minimum
Fuel pressure regulator: 3 Bar (43.5113 PSI)

My specs (I used two lines, one with gauge close to fuel line-in and one long line tee-d in so I can route it to the engine bay, it changed stuff but as per bentley specs, this isn't that precise):
Fuel pressure at idle (close to fuel line-in): 39
Fuel pressure with FPR disconnected from manifold vacuum signal: 49
Fuel pressure residual after ignition is turned off (bleed down pressure): 29-31
Fuel pressure max at RPM WOT: 55, tapers to 51 (give or take 3 PSI due to long line into cabin, was aprox 8 ft long)

so far, fuel pressure from pump exceeds FPR 3 bar pressure, so the injectors are not being starved.

I ran some tests specced by the bentley manual to determine if the FPR or fuel sending unit check valve could be bad and odds are, they are not. The slightly higher fuel pressure may mean bad FPR but it's unlikely because the values are not far off. I could fuel pressure test post FPR possibly. It's cold as balls hereā€¦.

I have an extra set of stock injectors getting cleaned and flow tested. When those are done, I'm going to swap them in and re log.

I also have a spare throttle body I'm going to clean up and swap in. Could be related to all this possibly since I threw the P0507 code. Ross-tech lists that as a possible solution for P0507.



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« Reply #82 on: January 19, 2016, 07:14:08 PM »

Primary 02 sensor been changed recently? I'm surprised to hear the fuel pressure is within spec.  Huh
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« Reply #83 on: January 19, 2016, 08:27:02 PM »

as you say injectors, also plugs and leaks and WG and solenoid..
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How to work out values from an A2L Smiley

http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=5525.msg52371#msg52371


Starting Rev's http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=5397.msg51169#msg51169

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« Reply #84 on: January 19, 2016, 10:39:22 PM »

Plugs, possibly. Theyre about 50,000 miles in.
 WG solenoid, about 40-35,000 miles in.

Primary 02, never been replaced.
Only thing suspect is primary 02 unless i got a a bad n75 wg solenoid these things should be lasting longer.

Platinum plugs
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« Reply #85 on: January 19, 2016, 11:20:20 PM »

Swap some bits around off another car (hopefully). 

If you had log before the issue overlaying then now may shed light.

The maps themselves will show you where you're at if your logging voltage manually.  Most sensos are 5v DC (expect the pwm ones solenoid for example) using the ADC converter on the ECU, straight line math basically 0-1024 e.g then inputs into ram eis converted into ME variables via maps mostly.

tune a car = new plugs fwiw

re solenoid if you running it at high DC it will fail quicker

Sounds like you have a bad injector really, just  a guess.  Take the plugs out and inspect.
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How to work out values from an A2L Smiley

http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=5525.msg52371#msg52371


Starting Rev's http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=5397.msg51169#msg51169

noobs read this before asking http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=9014.0title=


ORGORIGINAL 05 5120 creator for Volvo
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ORGINAL finder of the 'extra' torque' limits
I don't have ME7.01 A2L I just use ID
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« Reply #86 on: January 19, 2016, 11:34:38 PM »

If this car won't run right with stock hardware, and a stock ecu file, why are we changing variables in the tune? To me it clearly seems fuel pressure/delivery related.

Agreed that's why I asked IDC when I seen the graph.

OP did you log RKTI vars? with the issue?
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http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=5525.msg52371#msg52371


Starting Rev's http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=5397.msg51169#msg51169

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ORGORIGINAL 05 5120 creator for Volvo
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« Reply #87 on: January 19, 2016, 11:39:15 PM »

They dont move much. No point in logging.. Block 32 in VCDS

In my experience a 70 mile drive is required.  To get a read.   

I learned this whilst calibrating 630 dekas, got them near stock in the end but with an angry idle, not to be repeated calibrating them fuckers!  FKKVS looks like a shelf at one axis point.  Then there was clutch in issues blah, even the AC torque map needed fettled.
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How to work out values from an A2L Smiley

http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=5525.msg52371#msg52371


Starting Rev's http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=5397.msg51169#msg51169

noobs read this before asking http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=9014.0title=


ORGORIGINAL 05 5120 creator for Volvo
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ORGINAL finder of the 'extra' torque' limits
I don't have ME7.01 A2L I just use ID
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« Reply #88 on: January 20, 2016, 06:07:24 AM »


OP did you log RKTI vars? with the issue?

I didnt. I have to read up on it, i still dont understand it. Plus, its been snowing here so wheel slip and such.
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« Reply #89 on: January 20, 2016, 09:20:32 AM »

I used the search function on the wiki to try and find info on RKTI, clearly theres more behind the accronym.

I really really need information that is researchable rather than accronyms i don't know what they stand for. If i need to find something in the FR, then it needs to be in german... If its on the wiki, english....

I said i was a noob, but i cant do anything with what you're providing me...
Give me something i can use, help me learn...
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