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« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2012, 01:03:16 AM »

Grundanpassungskonstante would be re-calculated as a linear mult.

Original injectors are 210cc @ 3 bar, fuel pressure is 4 bar.
If you fit 440cc @ 3 bar injectors with 4 bar, then grundanpassungskonstante will be (210/440)*128 = 61.

If you change fuel pressure as well, you will have to take it in account before re-calculating.
As I said before, remember to adjust latency and minimum injection time.
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« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2012, 04:50:56 AM »

Good information, Thank you.

I have a question about that. if we have a 440cc @ 3 bar injectors and we have a 3 bar fuel pressure. How can we calculate it ?

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what's the latency and minimum injection time germany name ? or if you can tell me map name or start address i'll be happy.
Thank you for your explain...

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« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2012, 08:52:49 AM »

@ prj :

Can you tell me which screenshot applies to your calculation ? I get the feeling that screenshot nr. 1 is the correct one...

Thanks.

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« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2012, 06:08:39 AM »

Yea, it's nr1.
Second one is for maf.
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« Reply #19 on: January 18, 2012, 07:34:35 AM »

Thanks for the confirmation.

I already had the idea that there was a mix-up Wink

Cheers,

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« Reply #20 on: February 06, 2012, 11:39:07 AM »

can anyone upload a stock bin from a vr6 motor? or just the 256map for the bigger maf? Also do you know witch bosch part numbers for vr6 maf can be used in this ecu? I would very appriciate this. Thank you.
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« Reply #21 on: February 06, 2012, 08:36:29 PM »

Giannis: Here we go;

Bosch/vw numbers for the maf :

0280217504 - 021906462
0280217512 - 021906462A
0986280203 - 021906462A / 021906462AX

I did some research on the vr6 software that works with this maf (m3.8.1 euro VR6'es & M5.9 usa VR6'es) and the maf-map in the
software is identical. But ofcourse there is a difference with the 1.8T callibrated maf-map. Picture shows both vr6 locations in the
software.

I'll also include a damos from the euro-file, and a tuned usa file so you can do some homework on that.

I also want to put this maf on my car, and upgrade the turbocharger to a K04-022.  If anyone has extra info on this matter, do chime-in please.

thanks,

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« Reply #22 on: February 06, 2012, 09:14:20 PM »

Thank you so much for this pvl. I am still gathering hardware for this car. I am planning to tune it with a td04 turbo and ev14 injectors fmic of course and 2.5inch exhaust i will post any progress if you like. Thanks again.
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« Reply #23 on: February 24, 2012, 04:45:37 PM »

@ PRJ / Nokiafix /other forum-members who have proper knowledge/experiënce with this :

"You will need a VR6 MAF, take the linearization maps from a VR6 ECU and copy paste" -> are the VR6-files i've posted, the ones you mean
to copy the maf-map out ? as they are properly different if compared to a AEB or AGU ecu-map... Can you give me a extra hint or
example-file/screenshot ?

How to properly set the MAF up? : swap to VR6 housing + 1.8T stock 150bhp sensor? Or keep the VR6 sensor in the VR6-housing ?

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« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2012, 12:51:25 PM »

It a ball braker to scale/graft a 2.75" or bigger maf into the m3.8 AGU code, I have tried 100s of combintaions over the last 7 year, from adding X% to the full maf scale, copy and past oem maps, interpolating % scale like -7% to +32% ect...  All my methods and trick have worked and kept me and my customers happy.

BUT...  The truth is the best way and the best results come from off setting the map, fitting bigger injectors and basing the maf size on the same or simlar % increase, you will need to set minTE and start injection to set a base line then the tweak the 16x16 lambda at part load as a whole % based on fuel trims.  But now you have load maps wrong and timing load axis out of sync,  all you need to do is write a new timing advance map from data based on VCDS logs and det cans. Then last tune the 9x16 LDR load maps as you would at any other stage of tune to get a base line map.  Once you got your basic fuel map done, timing and load you just need to fine tune fuel via Lambdakennfeld bei Teillast and timing advance maps.

By going from a stock maf to 2.75" with unscaled MAF Linearisierung the timing will end up around 5* to 7* advanced.

Nick


Maybe not the correct way in theory, but it works 100% and produces much smoother results. I have tuned this way From k03s 310cc 240bhp/ K04 hybrid 330bhp 440cc/ to T304E Stage3 630cc 430bhp.
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« Reply #25 on: February 27, 2012, 12:57:24 PM »

Missed a bit cannot edit above post.. Sad  lol


When tuning m3.8 at any stage its best to use a known working OEM maf sensor in a bigger housing.  I have been caught out in the past trying to scale and set fuel/load and timing on a 12 year old Vr6 maf which a customer supplied..... which was a naff as Top Gear last night .  That week I ripped all my hair out... Embarrassed
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« Reply #26 on: February 27, 2012, 06:43:35 PM »

Hi Nick,

thanks for your supurb reply ! Really helpfull and most interesting to read. Thanks !!!

Damn, it takes a LOT of efford getting these done i see Sad Sad

Without a rolling-road & widebandlambda,  it takes proper time to realign all maps.....


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« Reply #27 on: February 29, 2012, 11:42:58 AM »

Hi Nick,

thanks for your supurb reply ! Really helpfull and most interesting to read. Thanks !!!

Damn, it takes a LOT of efford getting these done i see Sad Sad

Without a rolling-road & widebandlambda,  it takes proper time to realign all maps.....


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Just a lot of logging and in most case I keep all load axis stock and edit the maps. 
 
The best way to start would be fit MAF and injectors set TVUB based on Bosch data sheet and reduce min start injection 1x1s. This is enough to get the car starting hot and cold without soiling your spark plugs/flooding engine. Then work on part throttle map as a whole % rescale to get your idle fuel trims about right. With n75 unplugged drive car on light load logging via VDCS and edit points on part load lambda map unti you get close on to the fuel stratergy you after.   Reduce timing maps over 2000rpm by around 5*. 

 Then run car with the stock N75 and load maps and log to get a picture of whats going on and make sure the ecu has control of the base line boost and its safe.  Then start by tuning the LDR map as a whole % you might have to take out some midrange load ms to make the power linear for the bigger turbo as the k03 maps as for max load around 3200rpm then tails off.  Set you self a basic torque curve at lowest boost u can get (hard without dyno) but on the road just set it based on boost gauge reading and blocks 025 via vcds.

 Once you got torque curve/boost profile contolled how you want as basic power then the LDR maps become very easy to alter/tune for final power.     Now is just a matter log winding the timing up and logging load,  actual timing and timing corrections to get a base maps which is safe and controlled.

Now its just the case of adding small % gains to the LDR maps and working up in load to target torque curve., while logging and making corrections to lambda and timing maps which will relate to actual load ms logs.

It takes a lot of time to get right, I tend to spend a 2-3hours a day over a week to do a big turbo map for an AGU, I always start from scratch using a stock factory map.   I aint the best person to explain things so I hope you can get your head around it.

Nick
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« Reply #28 on: May 04, 2013, 05:09:13 PM »

Could someone check adress in 018cg.bin for Grundanpassungskonstante - 06A37 right ? 
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« Reply #29 on: May 04, 2013, 05:28:46 PM »

Yes.
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