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« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2021, 05:19:24 AM »

Okay, I'll take a deeper look.

Are you sure the BAM is running @4bar FP? I've read 3bar so often in BAM context, so I didn't even think about that one.

I've started comparing BAM and AUQ stock files a while ago. I'll go on with that now. Thanks!

Oh and to be specific, atm its k04-022 (no egt probe), BAM injectors and 3bar FPR
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« Reply #16 on: July 25, 2021, 05:24:53 AM »

Actually I'm not sure about that I'd have to check.

Either way you can easily calculate theoretical KRKTE so it doesn't matter really.

022 and 023 are otherwise identical so that's fine.
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« Reply #17 on: July 25, 2021, 06:04:18 AM »

i started by comparing stock auq file with the file that was on the car, because i knew how the car behaved. now for the k04 install i compared both with bam values so far.
so in conclusion to our last posts, i will start over with the auq base file and put in the necesarry bam values.
I've attached my compare file, in case you'd like to check it and tell me if i'm missing something.

I'd like to do the same with bfv file, but to be honest I'm to lazy to make a proper xdf

thanks so far
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« Reply #18 on: July 25, 2021, 06:48:07 AM »

I will start over with the auq base file and put in the necesarry bam values.
This is as said your best bet to start with, and also probably the easiest. Just read S4wiki and copy over everything you deem necessary.

For example: KRKTE, TVUB, MLHFM, LDRXN, IRL/IOP

I think KFLDIMX and KFLDRL are also interesting maps to look at.

Look at fuelling too, BAM for example never uses BTS.


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« Reply #19 on: July 25, 2021, 08:50:37 AM »


For example: KRKTE, TVUB, MLHFM, LDRXN, IRL/IOP

I think KFLDIMX and KFLDRL are also interesting maps to look at.

Look at fuelling too, BAM for example never uses BTS.



Thats what I did, I've read S4Wiki step by step, checked in the FR to get a understanding what var is for what. Pasted the tables side by side into excel and let excel mark the differences in the tables.
So far I compared IRL, IOP, LDRXN, KFLDRXO, KFLDHBN, KRKTE, KFMLDMX, KFLBTS, MLHFM, MLMAX and a few more.

what i don't really get into my head is the relation between iop and irl.  Huh

Why does the BAM not use BTS? The values I see seem normal to me, 1.01 at low rpm and load and going to 0.8 up top.


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« Reply #20 on: July 25, 2021, 09:55:21 AM »

what i don't really get into my head is the relation between iop and irl.  Huh

Why does the BAM not use BTS? The values I see seem normal to me, 1.01 at low rpm and load and going to 0.8 up top.

Read the forums on KFMIOP logic

http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=970.0 this is a very good thread to get the idea.

It's basically just mathematical inverse of IRL and that's it.

As for why BAM doesn't use BTS idk, maybe the Audi engineers like messing with us. The only BAM file I've looked at is a Cupra R 225 where BTS is just filled with 1.001 (14.7 afr).
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« Reply #21 on: July 25, 2021, 11:04:21 AM »

inverse like square and root for example?

those are the bts values in the TT bam file i have (8N0906018BP)

Rl % / RPM800   1000   1480   1720   2000   2200   2520   3000   3520   4000   4520   5000   5520   5800   6040   6520
24,75   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,00   1,00   0,99
34,50   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,00   0,98
47,25   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,00   0,98   0,95
60,00   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   0,98   0,96   0,92
69,75   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,00   1,00   0,98   0,95   0,90
90,00   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   0,99   0,96   0,91   0,88
107,25   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,00   1,00   0,97   0,93   0,88   0,84
135,00   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   0,98   0,95   0,91   0,86   0,81
150,00   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,00   0,98   0,96   0,92   0,88   0,84   0,80
165,00   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,00   0,95   0,94   0,91   0,88   0,85   0,82   0,80
179,25   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,00   0,99   0,98   0,97   0,94   0,91   0,90   0,88   0,85   0,83   0,80   0,80
191,25   1,01   1,01   1,01   1,00   0,99   0,96   0,93   0,90   0,87   0,85   0,84   0,84   0,83   0,81   0,80   0,80
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« Reply #22 on: July 25, 2021, 12:53:39 PM »

Another BAM File i found online has BTS set to 1.00 all the way through...  Huh
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« Reply #23 on: July 25, 2021, 04:04:01 PM »

inverse like square and root for example?

No, not really inverse that way either.

"mathematical inverse" isn't it at all. More like "reverse" process, as in one is torque to load and the other is load to torque.
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« Reply #24 on: July 26, 2021, 12:10:02 AM »

Another BAM File i found online has BTS set to 1.00 all the way through...  Huh
That's what I meant. I find this a very interesting OEM approach. Though using BTS and zeroing out KFFLDBTS is also a logical approach imo.
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« Reply #25 on: July 26, 2021, 01:13:46 PM »

No, not really inverse that way either.

"mathematical inverse" isn't it at all. More like "reverse" process, as in one is torque to load and the other is load to torque.

ah okay. now I kinda get it. So the ecu is using it as some kind of backup calculation right?


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That's what I meant. I find this a very interesting OEM approach. Though using BTS and zeroing out KFFLDBTS is also a logical approach imo.

when the lowest value is used for target afr and bts is 1.0 all the way and LAMFA is 0.95 up top the target afr will be 0.95 without KR activated, right? How does the KR apply? Do I have to expect the engine to knock or is it some kind of backup in case it starts knocking due to high temps/boost/compression/fuel quality? I guess a retail software wont run at KR limit?

I want to understand what is my best way to approach my AFR tuning. I guess I have to get this right first before playing with torque/boost etc pp
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« Reply #26 on: July 26, 2021, 01:23:36 PM »

ah okay. now I kinda get it. So the ecu is using it as some kind of backup calculation right?


when the lowest value is used for target afr and bts is 1.0 all the way and LAMFA is 0.95 up top the target afr will be 0.95 without KR activated, right? How does the KR apply? Do I have to expect the engine to knock or is it some kind of backup in case it starts knocking due to high temps/boost/compression/fuel quality?

I want to understand what is my best way to approach my AFR tuning. I guess I have to get this right first before playing with torque/boost etc pp
Not quite, IOP and IRL are sort of like related. For a given IRL value you need a certain IOP value and that's that. (That's my understanding at least)

I'm actually not too sure how a file with BTS filtered out works i can make a hundred guesses but testing and logging would tell. I suppose those files use KR based fuelling indeed while not on WOT
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« Reply #27 on: July 26, 2021, 01:37:38 PM »

So in my opinion its not that smart to use KR for fueling in open loop, because i dont want my engine to knock, right?
And I guess I'm driving in closed loop most of the time any way so why use KR for fueling here? Maybe I'm not really understanding how its applied but as I see it, it would be a good approach to use LAMFA in closed and BTS in open loop?? Huh
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« Reply #28 on: July 26, 2021, 04:38:53 PM »

open/closed loop is irrelevant, plus you likely have a wideband unless you're running ME7.1, so there is no openloop.

Long story short: use a combination of LAMFA, KR, and BTS.

They are all useful.
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« Reply #29 on: July 27, 2021, 08:31:22 AM »

Oh okay thanks.  Cheesy
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