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« Reply #30 on: October 30, 2018, 09:05:09 AM »

423 wheel horse power and 309 wheel torque brah

Ah my bad, that is really nice, pushing over 300 hp on a stock motor is crazy in my opinion.

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I see, good to know somebody actually done some conversion from na to turbo successfully, I know it is actually quite common on the honda civic's because they can take some power, and the engine, management is way simpler than on here , from what I've read.
We'll see what happens, It will be a nice learning experience hopefully, and I also got you beautiful people helping me Cheesy.
BTW i'll read those books, "street turbocharging" is from Mark Warner, and the other one is by Corky Bell, if uncle google is right.
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« Reply #31 on: November 01, 2018, 05:37:43 AM »

So update:

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 I was about to go to somewhere, where at 5-6k RPM i hear some noise, and see the car lost power then oil lamp came on and pulled over immidietly.. Turns out the exhaust camshaft pulley came off.. RIP
The pin literally broke which shouldnt be possible unless the integrity was damaged..

A pic or 2

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/496481804644122658/507523072094633989/IMG_20181101_133640.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/pQzKhpW.jpg

How are we lookin' ? :/





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« Reply #32 on: November 01, 2018, 06:09:18 AM »

Welp. How hand's on are you? Surly the valves are bent to shit. Find another 20 head and plop that on. The pulley must have been loose. The keyway is only for aligning the cam with the right orientation of the pully. Pull the head off and upload some pics hopefully it's just a few bent valves. If you wanna sell the intake cam from your current failed head I'd be happy to buy. Here in the USA we don't have the naturally aspirated 1.8t and the cams are good for boost for a large framed turbo.
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« Reply #33 on: November 01, 2018, 07:32:35 AM »

Welp. How hand's on are you? Surly the valves are bent to shit. Find another 20 head and plop that on. The pulley must have been loose. The keyway is only for aligning the cam with the right orientation of the pully. Pull the head off and upload some pics hopefully it's just a few bent valves. If you wanna sell the intake cam from your current failed head I'd be happy to buy. Here in the USA we don't have the naturally aspirated 1.8t and the cams are good for boost for a large framed turbo.

Yea.. I am pretty hands on, just went to local mech who i know, and said the head is p much a good amount of money.. There is another na 1.8 in the village, and he advised it might be better to buy that, swap engine and have a spare car for parts. But we will see buying a motor from the country is sketchy dunno what they are selling. Im gonna take off VC now and upload pics of that for now. I cant take off the head until the cars at home :p
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« Reply #34 on: November 01, 2018, 07:38:54 AM »

Where are you from? I have tons of stock valves I could send you post just pay shipping
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« Reply #35 on: November 01, 2018, 08:48:26 AM »

Where are you from? I have tons of stock valves I could send you post just pay shipping

I am from EU more specifically from Romania as you can see on the license plate Tongue , I very much appreciate your effort for trying to help , very generous , I am not sure how much would the shipping cost.
I took off the VC, and it does not look to bad, except.. you will see on the pics :/

https://i.imgur.com/pfMs39I.jpg - As you can see some of the pin in the keyway is still in there stuck.

https://i.imgur.com/IBZb2zb.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/hUQWku0.jpg - some front bearign shots

https://i.imgur.com/h6iV0NU.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/7pjD0gZ.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/SL5cLny.jpg - Well ,wtf is that... How did a bolt get there, and from where, it damaged the lobe a bit, and the metal too around, and the lifter too I'm pretty sure i seen some chunks , or damaged metal there, hard to see without taking cam off, it completely jammed.

https://i.imgur.com/5DVbI56.jpg - another shot of it

https://i.imgur.com/98Nphtt.jpg - damaged lobe

https://i.imgur.com/WfFVgx0.jpg - you can see the bolt threads scraped off , metal scrape etc.

https://i.imgur.com/wjmHUBr.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ayMgrrh.jpg


So I don't know what to think of it :/ Need to get head off to see pistons I guess, hopefully tommorow , when car gets towed home , literally sitting at a shitty train station...
I wonder where that bolt came from and why..




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« Reply #36 on: November 01, 2018, 03:46:40 PM »

It is common mistake to put the gear on wrong way round which results in broken key and engine damage sometimes. Gear goes on freely both ways, but when placed wrong, key breaks off when tightening the bolt. I've seen lots of broken gears like this and always remind anyone taking it off to put it back right way, otherwise it will break.
BTW I'm running turbo converted N/A AVV engine. Used N/A block and head with pistons, exhaust valves, camshafts and manifolds from turbo version. Had to drill a hole in the block for turbine coolant line and turbo support bracket (which I actually forgot but it's holding on good anyways  Grin ).
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« Reply #37 on: November 01, 2018, 04:35:02 PM »

Looks like a old head bolt got lodged in the cam? Regardless looks like the head was off prior for one reason or another or swapped with another?
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« Reply #38 on: November 01, 2018, 06:35:21 PM »

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Nice to hear your conversion went good Tongue tho afaik na camshafts are better for turbo application , no ?

As for wheel I dont know honestly. I did not touch the sprocket at all. I got the car from germany last year august and only did 7000 km with it since.

Looks like a old head bolt got lodged in the cam? Regardless looks like the head was off prior for one reason or another or swapped with another?


I did not take the head off at all since I got the car. Only thing I did is replace the cam chain tensioner in may, and corrected timing to be exact in june/july (was off by half or less tooth, car ran fine tho..) And there was no foreign object. Though one thing did happen, and that was an overheated block because a bad gasket literally let all the coolant out while going towards city, water indicator cane on , but i ignored it cause i literally checked it 5 mins ago , so i thought it was complaining about low water level, but in the city at one point i saw smoke and oil lamp came on, and immidietly pulled over and let car cool down on air and used warm water to fill up.

But I dont think that caused any damage.. One thing i noticed and assumed it was an illusion or normal is that the sprocket might have been spinning off center ? But Im not sure. Anyways I dont know whats next.. A valve job would cost me like 500 usd with local mechanic.. If I do it myself just the valves(no guides, etc.) are like 100 usd , used engines are going for 100-200 usd with 200k kmish or lower, so might bite bullet and get one of those.. What do you think?
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« Reply #39 on: November 02, 2018, 04:50:05 AM »

for the price id try and find a new engine. find a turbo variant if you can pistons are forged not cast and exhaust valves can handle a bit more. id do timing service, cam tensioner pads, cams seals while you have it out
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« Reply #40 on: November 02, 2018, 08:04:11 AM »

for the price id try and find a new engine. find a turbo variant if you can pistons are forged not cast and exhaust valves can handle a bit more. id do timing service, cam tensioner pads, cams seals while you have it out

Well turbo motors are around the same price, but I was hoping to swap head only , depening how the block looks , which i was supposed to take off tonight, but only could get halfway cause the sun is going down early, but tommorow we will see, So I was thinking same motorcode, because one issue with the turbo one is for example the VC has a vent vacuum etc, so the vacuums might not match up , these thing are what I am afraid off criss crossing parts Tongue

EDIT: My current tensioner is brand new it has like 1000km on it, so I dont need to change that Tongue
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« Reply #41 on: November 02, 2018, 05:31:28 PM »

LOL, I am so blind, I was rechecking my pics, https://i.imgur.com/ayMgrrh.jpg and noticed that that bolt is actually from the camshaft bearing as you can see near the tensioner.. So I think what happend, is that bolt came loose ,started flying around in VC, caught the intake , which blocked it for a split second, that made exhaust, and the intake not be in time, which is why the crank tore off the wheel from the cam . Is that possible or this is just a secondary product from the wheel coming off ?
I know that crank is spins the exhaust which spins the intake , thats why im asking Tongue
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« Reply #42 on: November 03, 2018, 03:20:42 AM »

LOL, I am so blind, I was rechecking my pics, https://i.imgur.com/ayMgrrh.jpg and noticed that that bolt is actually from the camshaft bearing as you can see near the tensioner.. So I think what happend, is that bolt came loose ,started flying around in VC, caught the intake , which blocked it for a split second, that made exhaust, and the intake not be in time, which is why the crank tore off the wheel from the cam . Is that possible or this is just a secondary product from the wheel coming off ?
I know that crank is spins the exhaust which spins the intake , thats why im asking Tongue

Long blocks are the same externally, you can use accessories from your car on  the replacement engine regardless of factory turbo engine or not. While your at it try and see if you can grab a set of injectors from injectors too. Saab reds, Volvo greens, audi tt 225, or even mk4 180 injectors. Save your self some money if you can get from a bone yard
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« Reply #43 on: November 03, 2018, 05:22:30 AM »


Long blocks are the same externally, you can use accessories from your car on  the replacement engine regardless of factory turbo engine or not. While your at it try and see if you can grab a set of injectors from injectors too. Saab reds, Volvo greens, audi tt 225, or even mk4 180 injectors. Save your self some money if you can get from a bone yard

I dont believe they are the same, i know that turbo VC has a vacuum ,  that port is blocked off on the NA one , second the coil on NA are different so holes dont match , and 3rd that i know is that turbo block has extra holes for water cooling the turbo as an oil feed, correct me if im wrong.
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« Reply #44 on: November 03, 2018, 05:43:01 AM »

So swap the valve coverage the problem? I use 2l 8v bottom ends all the time with 20v heads. I'd bet a 20v na would be very close to the na 20v. Also you'd be best off using the short runner intake from the turboed car and vent the valve cover to help expel positive crank vent once turboed.
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