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Title: Help with AUQ to AUM Flash
Post by: legioN on January 30, 2020, 12:52:25 AM
Hello, I am very new in this type of stuff so please be gentle. I have MK4 Golf 1.8T with AUM engine. I full read and saved .bin file from Seat Leon 1.8T AUQ using NefMoto ECU Flasher and I want to flash it in my car. Checked the checksums - no errors. My car have IMMO2 ECU and the .bin i want to flash is from IMMO3 ECU. So my stupid question is there a problem with flashing IMMO3 ECU .bin in IMMO2 ECU and do I need PIN/SKC of the both cars in case something goes wrong? Does this procedure requires adapting the new software to my car's IMMO if that makes any sense.


Title: Re: Help with AUQ to AUM Flash
Post by: adam- on January 30, 2020, 01:22:39 AM
Prepare for bricks.

Just tune your file.


Title: Re: Help with AUQ to AUM Flash
Post by: legioN on January 30, 2020, 02:36:15 AM
I am aware of bricks.
One more question - so my AUM ECU is 06A906032DR and the AUQ 06A906032MJ
can I use the same exact XDF file in TunerPro or there are differences in the definitions?
Will the attached XDF do the job right or I'll have to search for another one?


Title: Re: Help with AUQ to AUM Flash
Post by: legioN on January 30, 2020, 02:38:26 AM
My bad, I mean this XDF.


Title: Re: Help with AUQ to AUM Flash
Post by: legioN on January 30, 2020, 01:01:22 PM
I am trying to remap my own file and from all I read, the differences betweeen AUM and AUQ are only LDRXN and LDRXNZK, which are responsible for boost right? So I have to copy the values to my table and the ECU is ready for 180hp? Or there are more things I should change like fueling and timing?


Title: Re: Help with AUQ to AUM Flash
Post by: sda2 on January 31, 2020, 02:31:46 AM
You have two ways of doing this. Either you find a matching immo2 binary, or you have to look for the changes.

I did that a while ago and its way more than just LDRXN/ZK. I attach the binares used:

They use the same program layout so you can simply line them up and compare in Tuner Pro with HN0002 XDF.

I include an Excel sheet with all the changes written up in seperate tables.


Title: Re: Help with AUQ to AUM Flash
Post by: legioN on January 31, 2020, 04:00:27 AM
Today I was trying again and I found 14 tables that are with different values and  I copied them to my tables that are with the same name of course. I don't know if that is correct to do but they were absolutely the same, just with a different values. Now if my work is correctly done without checksum errors can I proceed to flash the file and if yes will I have trouble with IMMO or the car should start because I am flashing the original file just a little tuned.


Title: Re: Help with AUQ to AUM Flash
Post by: adam- on January 31, 2020, 04:02:32 AM
If you tune the stock file, you will have no issues with immo.

What have you changed and what does it do? 


Title: Re: Help with AUQ to AUM Flash
Post by: legioN on January 31, 2020, 04:11:40 AM
I opened 2 instances of TunerPro, in the first instance i loaded my stock .bin with the correct XDF and in the second instance I loaded stock AUQ 032MJ bin with the correct XDF. I compared every files in the both bins and all the tables were with the same names and values and only 14 of them were with the same layout but with different values.


Title: Re: Help with AUQ to AUM Flash
Post by: adam- on January 31, 2020, 04:17:08 AM
That's not what I asked though. 

Explain what you've copied and what changes you expect to happen.  You gotta know why you're changing stuff, not just cause it's different.


Title: Re: Help with AUQ to AUM Flash
Post by: legioN on January 31, 2020, 04:33:04 AM
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1WocIuzMIs9ceLycT7zX25bs_v8x_fANM
In this link you will find
AUM.bin my original stock file
AUM180.bin - the one with changed tables
AUQ.bin - the stock 180hp from where I was copying the tables.


I expect 180hp but I'm still not flashing anything before I am sure that it will be safe to do it. I know that the ECUs are cross flashable and that's why I changed the values of the following tables:

//BOOST//
KFTARX
LDRXN
LDRXNZK

//TIMING//
KFZW

//FUEL//
KFFWL_0_A
KFFWL_1_A
FKKVS
LAMFA
KFLBTS
KFFDLBTS

//MAF//
KFMLDMX

//ENGINE SPEED//
KFNLLNST

//BOOST PID//
KFLDRL
KFFWLLDE


Title: Re: Help with AUQ to AUM Flash
Post by: legioN on January 31, 2020, 04:32:18 PM
Okay, I've done it. I guy who knows what he's doing told me all the map addresses I have to replace and so I did.
Flashed the file and the car runs fine. It feels a little bit more faster and responsive in some way. I will share the .bin with you.
With few words the attached file is for AUM with 06A906032DR ECU that is tuned with AUQ maps.


Title: Re: Help with AUQ to AUM Flash
Post by: adam- on February 01, 2020, 12:24:41 AM
This is not how to tune in the slightest.

You've changed two tables and can't explain what you've changed.


Title: Re: Help with AUQ to AUM Flash
Post by: legioN on February 01, 2020, 12:41:01 AM
I don't know if I'm using the correct terminology but I've used these addresses. Some of them were the same. If you think I should chane other tables, please share their addresses if that's not a problem.

My 032DR bin                               AUQ 032HN bin

1.DURATION MAPS:
10C23                                           10C7D
150B6                                           15076

2.SPARK ADVANCE:
120DD                                            120EB
1219D                                            121AB
11557                                             11585
11607                                             11635

3.TURBO
1E1FE                                              1E824
1E350                                              1E976

4. PRESSURE LIMITER
1EAD2                                              1F248
1EB14                                               1F28A

5. REV LIMITER
166F2                                                16870
166F4                                                16872
166FA                                                16878


Title: Re: Help with AUQ to AUM Flash
Post by: nyet on February 01, 2020, 12:45:22 AM
go back to stock. do not do any tuning until you at least try to learn the basics.


Title: Re: Help with AUQ to AUM Flash
Post by: legioN on February 01, 2020, 01:08:23 AM
With few word, is that what I made dangerous for the car? And from where should I start with? Can you offer me some good articles?


Title: Re: Help with AUQ to AUM Flash
Post by: BlackT on February 01, 2020, 02:32:21 AM
This will be a good start
http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?board=55.0


Title: Re: Help with AUQ to AUM Flash
Post by: RBPE on February 01, 2020, 12:13:32 PM
With few word, is that what I made dangerous for the car? And from where should I start with? Can you offer me some good articles?


Personally, I would start by looking into the multitude of threads over the last decade or so on here whereby people state what they've done with regards to cross-flashing things like this! As an example, flashing aspects in this sub forum or a similar/same Q in another sub-forum like tuning area here;

http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=7859.0title=

Then you'll know what has worked for some, any posts the pro's don't want to re-state for the 150th time without you looking through the forum where it's been covered (ignore the search button, just look through each page on each sub-forum that might sound like what you need to do, you should find loads of info) and all other threads.

So you have 2 options then;
1. Read cross-flashing threads, some may choose that route and listen to what people say in that respect - meaning you'll just cross flash a 180hp file onto a 150hp for instant 30hp! These types of threads will state what people have done/tried like that and others have stated possible problems and don't want to say it for the 150th time!
2. Learn the ins and outs, know what the differences are then learn the tuning and then you can do what you want on your own file without worry about immo etc!

If your English isn't good;
1. Look at AUM/AUQ or other cross flash - people have said what works or doesn't. Look through forum, translate in Google etc
2. Spend lot's of time learning to tune - dangers can be parts differences and what ecu calculates, scales in ecu, immo becomes irrelevant then etc as it's your own ecu file and the parts you're using are wrong due to differences between models;

Find out here;
http://www.oemepc.com/

Hope that answers your/other's Q's