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id like to know a bit ive downloaded just about every file I saw lol but I don't want put this into my ecu just yet...

I have a Newbeetle turbo s with the 1.8t awp motor will this work for me? My ecu is 06A906032LS I have the original bin and ive been trying to find a definition file so I can delete SAI and rear 02 since im running a 3'dp no cat and the sai Is blocked off at the dead no pump nothing... I didn't remove the stuff on the valve cover tho cause I didn't know which belongs to the SAI they all seem to be hooked up to eachother for vac... but my CEL is on cause of this...

Im currently stock running a 4barfpr and 440cc injectors to avoid the Lean condition Code I kept getting after the DP was put and Cat removed... id rather run run and screw up $20 spark plugs than blow the motor running lean..

Would greatly appreciate any help on this.
So would This HN file work properly in my LS ecu?

What hardware issues? The fpr and injectors? Ive tuned it down with lemmiwinks car runs great but i have an incorrect flow code along with a few others due to the sai and a cat effeciency code. The rich code i got rid of.

I'm not going to clutter up my thread with crap; but you're doing it all wrong.  You fitted bigger injectors than stock AND THEN A 4 BAR REG?! So you're now massively over-fuelling for literally no reason, then you "tuned it down" with lemmiwinks. 

There is nothing wrong with stock injectors for your ability just now.

id like to know a bit ive downloaded just about every file I saw lol but I don't want put this into my ecu just yet...

I have a Newbeetle turbo s with the 1.8t awp motor will this work for me? My ecu is 06A906032LS.

 I have the original bin and ive been trying to find a definition file so I can delete the SAI and rear 02 since im running a 3'dp, no cat and the sai Is blocked off at the head, no pump, no egr...
I didn't remove the stuff on the valve cover cause I didn't know which belongs to the SAI they all seem to be hooked up to eachother.

Would greatly appreciate any help on this.

So would This HN file work properly in my LS ecu?


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Adam i like the popping and flames too.

There wouldnt be clutter if ppl would just read the threads and not only what they want to judge ppl on.


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You're lucky you even got his file as it shouldn't even be posted here.

This area is to discuss logs only.

Let's bring this topic back on course.

Jesus christ you guys... im just looking  to delete the sai and rear 02 can i get a straight answer please.. thats all im asking for..
will this file work for me?
Thats it thats all im asking....
I didnt ask for anyones opinion on my injectors or fpr or anything else...

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that's all in here http://s4wiki.com/wiki/Tuning , right??
Should be too hard to delete SAI and Rear O2.

Stop crapping on this guys thread, this is your last warning.

If you're looking for hand outs go elsewhere.  The info you're looking for has been posted on this forum many times over.

Im not looking for hand outs just a simple yes or no! All i asked was if this file would work with my ecu. The wiki doesn't talk about the 1.8t it talks about the 2.7. But i guess a simple yes or no is too much to ask. I wonder what life would've been like if Einstein or Thomas Edison had been like you and the others who can't give a simple yes or no.

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Again, you've missed the point completely... this forum caters to the DIY mentality.  Taking other peoples files is not what anything is about here (you openly admitted here to collect all kinds of files - so it's clear you are here for just one thing so far).  So people are not answering you because the info you need is available 100 times over here.  Read up on it, and do it yourself. 

If you have specific questions on how to do it, start your own tread, explain what you've done and where you're stuck and someone will help you. 

No, that file is not for you.  It's more than just an O2 and SAI delete.

Thank you Adam.

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Spoken like a true gentleman

Look for ESKONF, looks like in the pic, S4 wiki tells you about it plus threads on here; also codewords in applicable areas;

RBPE thanks already done all that in my original .bin following the instructions on the s4wiki. After doing them i end up with 4 errors me7check.

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And you didn't bother with ME7Sum?

Why?

General relativity (or even special relativity) cannot be explained by a simple "yes" or "no".

Fundamental understanding is always helpful; those that always demand "yes" or "no" go through life at a distinct disadvantage, as they never gain any actual comprehension of any topic.

Me7sum hasnt worked on my pc as of yet. Pc keeps deleting it thinking its a virus. Would that tell me where the errors are?

Nyet... thats deep... lol

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me7check tells you what checksums need to be updated to take into account the changes you made to your bin.

ME7Sum does something else: guess what that is?

Corrects errors.. but would this mean its defaulting everything back to stock and disregard what I've changed?
I honestly don't know. :(

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If it did that, it would be a useless tool; you could just use the stock binary instead of using me7sum.

Let's back up a step: Why does an ECU need to checksum protect the image it is executing?

I Had to add Me7sum to my Antivirus "safe" list to get it working... here is what I get now.  :-\

Sorry nyet :( i can build a pc and get one running but when it comes to programing i flatline i dont understand most of this im just going by what i read. Ive done everything the s4wiki explains along with a few threads from here but i just end up with errors. Me7check was giving me 4 now me7sum gives 3 ive repeated everything many times.

I believe the values in eskonf  are what is throwing everything off. I dont have the def. File for my ecu im using one from n hn?

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You can build a pc, but can you google?

"A checksum is a small-size datum from a block of digital data for the purpose of detecting errors which may have been introduced during its transmission or storage. It is usually applied to an installation file after it is received from the download server. By themselves, checksums are often used to verify data integrity, but should not be relied upon to also verify data authenticity."

Ive done what I can with what I know... Ive reached the conclusion that without the Definition file for my ecu, atleast I cant seem to fix it. The S4wiki is modifying locations I do not have on the tunerpro list. I don't have any CDXXX locations "CDHSH,CDLATV etc... etc.." I don't have CLXXX... none of those the s4wiki refers to for deleting the 02 sensor. For the SAI I don't have CKONABG or CDSLS.

I don't understand why can't you find a definition for your .bin? Tell me what your bin is and I'll find you a definition. But I won't do anything else  :-X

Also, don't get so hung up on little things like sensor deletes and little tid bits here and there.. This whole thing is a process and I feel like focusing on something like deleting your rear 02 sensor or SAI deletes and what not... When really you should be putting forth a good effort to dial in KFMIRL, KFMIOP, LDRXN, LDRXNZK... The essentials.

He can't find a def because the 032LS is rare. It was only put in the New Beetle ECUs. I looked for one to try and help, but came up with nothing.

I'm going to bet that no one ever put in the effort to make one because the ECU is cross flashable with the more common HS and HN s/w. I can't see how it would't be. They are both ME7.5 and AWP engines of the same model year, just different body style. One is VAG100 and the other VAG101. It doesn't get much closer than that.

I would just cross flash the 032HS/HN if the bootrom on the LS is 5.12 personally. They are so well defined that he wouldn't have to do anything other than follow the Wiki instructions to delete whatever, checksum and flash. Done.

Ah... I see. I think OP probably is going to just give up because something like that, in the eyes of someone with minimal experience regarding ECU tuning and so forth, seems like it would be a lot more difficult than it actually is... And considering the first thing he asked when he joined the forum was "I found this tuned file on here, can I use it, can I use it OR NOT!? I just want to know if this free file will work so I can be on my way..." I just don't see much commitment here other than the commitment to, for lack of a better word... mooch.

316lv thanks for trying, I've searched several other sites n even googled for the ecu and nothing comes up. So far I've had  the worst luck for ecus first was my 00 aph bug with its limited ecu and now this one...

Roy your right its is complicated for me. I'm not a tuner or a programmer, i don't know how to use c++ or what the hell I'm looking at with a .bin file i wouldn't even know what to tell you about a log. But i can read and i can follow instructions. I've used the hs/hn def. File and I've followed the instructions on the wiki. I've checked rechecked and checked again every single step but as i said the wiki refers to locations i do not find using the hs/hn def. file. I have 4 errors that just dont go away.  I only care to delete these cause on my other bug with a gonzo tune i always had the cel for the damn sai.
I dont want the cel on and i dont care for the sai, but like many others id like to clean up my engine bay of none essential crap. I know its not easy, i never said it was, But after siting in front of a computer for hours and days trying to do what everyone has said to do "use the s4wiki" it doesn't work. So it'd be nice if ppl would stop giving me shit about coming on here to mooch when im not. Ive been a member for a while, i dont like posting unless i have to simply because of the shit like you have just posted. You make it seem like a cult with your commitment comment. If the file isn't free or open source don't post it for the world to download. I uploaded my .bin file to this forum so what? No one is going to download it? Bs same way i download adams file someone will download mine and possibly thanks to me the forum now has a bin that so far i haven't found on this forum at all. So please get off your hi horse and if you want to make ignorant comments make them somewhere else and don't "crap" on my thread.



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Id find a spare hn ecu, flash it stock, and see of it works.

Nyet i have a spare ecu but i found it was for a jetta 1.8t awp. "032hf ecu" Not sure if itll work with my bug. Even then the hs/hn def. File again didnt have those locations, ill try and find another def. File but what are the ods of the one i got being a bad file? Specially Since everyone on here is so smart and perfect.
No offense to you.

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Shrug. At some point youll have to learn how to find maps yourself. No way around it. If that bothers you you're basically boned.

I dont mind learning this i dont have plans to get rid of my cars i have two bugs, ive owned an mk3 vr6 jetta, and my first vw was a 1.8t golf and been in love with these things since. Thats almost 15 years now...
I know the info is there and the knowledge its just an issue of finding it. My complaint is that everyone likes throwing the search phrase around so easily yet it doesn't find what I'm looking for so my only options are to ask,post,do. I cant do without info i cant ask without ppl getting mad and i cant post cause then i get billigerant,ignorant comments.
So my reply are either aggressive or plane and simple pissy cause i get frustrated :/.

Like Roy thinking i just signed on when ive been a member since 2013 yet now simply cause i was trying to find a solution every one thinks im freeloading.

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2 options learn how it works or pay someone to get it done..

That HF ECU you have will work for the HS/HN s/w. It is VAG100 just like the HS/HN. IDK if it will work in your Bug, but I have every reason to believe it will for the reasons I stated before.

Attached is an ori HN file and the xdf I use for it. Both came from here. I think the xdf was originally from -adam (cheers!), but I put some time in adding to it. Anything with an '//' in front of it is suspect and may or may not be correct. It has all the variables defined to do what you want anyhow. Use the parameter finder under tools in TunerPro to find them. This xdf lines up with the HS too FWIW.

Flash that to the HF and see if it works for you... Good luck.

I do apologize... Sarcasm, pretentiousness and negativity are contagious behaviors often times exercised by a select number of individuals who frequent the nefmoto forums. I seem to have caught the bug there for a moment...  :P

Any of the expressions your referring to in my previous post we're mainly a reflection of your first impression on me and likely others as well.. The wording you chose and the use of that meme... Along with what appeared to be a blatant disregard or desire for wishing to learn anything about the tuning process whatsoever... All of those things combined gave me a poor first impression of you... I can see I jumped to conclusion too fast.

Tip for searching. If you didn't already know, when performing a search on nefmoto make sure you ALWAYS return to "home" before performing a new search. I think when you search without going back to "home" it tries to search through the results of the first search. Also, if you want a much better chance of getting the results you want. Go to google and type in        enter search phrase here        site:nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/

whats the engine code on your bug? and what is the engine code for HN? I recommend you check both out and make sure your not flashing a file intended for forged rods and other more durable engine components and using that file on an engine without forged rods and what not...

Because if you plan to push the limits after you flash your ecu and tune it (and flash it again lol... and again... and again...), if you have an engine with the weaker rods, depending on how powerful you go you could definitely be looking at a sad couple weeks of work rebuilding a quarter of your engine somewhere in the future... You need to consider what turbo is on your beetle too and what turbo comes on the HN/HS... If you have a k03 and you flash a k04 file that could be a problem. People claim you can run a k04 on a k03/k03s file, but the other way around may cause some unpleasant driving conditions...

Thats just what I would do personally. Check into it or don't its up to you. I just figured I'd contribute what I could with what time I have at the moment.  :)

You'll struggle to burst any 1.8t with a k03s without rods. :)

My turbo bug 00 is the APH motor thats tuned and has the same issue im having now with my turbo s. I removed the sai,egr and have 3" dp no cat same setup both cars and the cel is cause of that.

My Turbo S is AWP with a k03s



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AWP with EGR?

Ok sooooo I dont think you understand some very basic things here, the XDF for the hn will not work for the file
off your car, You either need to change to a well defined file like the HN or learn to define a file... Since i can bet
you will not be doing that. What car are we trying to delete this stuff on turbo s or the other one?
I feeling super nice tonight so if you respond fast enough I will help you with this.

Carsinc the turbo s is the one im trying to delete the sai,rear 02 and egr mostly cause the sai was part of the egr so i blocked it off with integrated engineering plate.  is this why i cant get rid of the 4 errors!
The older bug is being converted to a weird thing...

So if i swapped over to the hs or hn file would my immobilizer be an issue?

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Yep, you want it lol..

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Ok so first thats not egr, its just SAI and I'm pretty sure that if that other ecu the HF? is already matched to your car
it will be fine with a HN file. If it not matched I will try to help you delete the immo and get your faults gone. Now did
you say you already have a tune?

The thing on the side of the block isnt an egr? Its connected to a hole that goes to the exhaust...
Edit: just saw looked it up its called a combi valve but ive seen some call it egr/combi valve. Engine Looks better without it.

The tune is on the older bug. Im not bothering with that one its an aph with the me7.1 small memory layout. I can make a copy of that bin if you guys want it.

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Yes.

Ill copy it later today.

Carsinc
I do still plan on learning this anyway, so would it be feasible to find patterns for the ecu locations from one and map it on my bin? Or is there some magic formula. I already understand most of the things its just a matter of the locations. 

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So im attempting to remove the sai in accordance with the WIki to the 032hn.bin and xdf files you gave me, nothing else just the sai but I keep getting 6 uncorrected errors after checksum... Am I missing something? I did ESKONF,MSLUB and MSLBAS as the wiki explains... Is it cause im editing it as binary.

In binary I find the location for the SLP and I set it from 10 or 00 to 11. I also do the same for the SLV....

I haven't figured out how to change it in tuner pro if its even possible...

it leaves me stumped cause im modifying 4 things not 6....

It's not based on the things you've edited, it's based on checksum calculations.

What are you using to edit the file?

For ESKONF im useing hexeditor and for all the others im using tunerpro..

Theres an option to view or find a relative offset for eskonf which ive compared to the original unmodified bin but they both remain at 255 decimal and ff hex is this what your referring to?

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The ESKONF is represented in hex in the file. You have to convert it from binary to hex.

Stock the 5th byte in ESKONF should be F8. SLP is the 4th bit pair in that byte, you want to change it from '00' to '11' to disable. So that byte will now be 11 11 10 11 which will convert to FB. In TunerPro replace F8 with FB. For the 6th byte stock is 30 (00 11 00 00) and you want 00 11 11 00 which is 3C when converted to hex. So replace 30 with 3C there and you are done with it.

As for the checksum amounts, don't worry about that. It will all depend on what you change is represented in the file. Just run your saved TunerPro file through ME7sum and correct them regardless of how many there are... Don't forget to run the output through ME7check before flashing to make sure it worked as a safety net.

Dude, no don't use a hex editor. ESKONF is defined in the xdf I posted. Use the parameter finder to locate it and change the 5th and 6th byte to 'FB' and '3C' respectively. Done.

Did that except i end up with FC for what your saying is FB. 3C ends up just like us said...ill try FB see if thatl change anything but ive modified it as binary to make sure it ends up in the correct byte as 11. As is stock it shows as 10 for F8 all i do is swith 0 to 1.

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Ahh got ya, so just use tunerpro to edit it then....
Man dos is a piece of cake compared to this hex stuff..

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Yep you got it. You can do it in a hex editor of course, but it is more difficult than just using TunerPro...

If you set up shortcuts to ME7check and ME7sum in TunerPro you won't even have to touch DOS. Under 'Tools' and then 'Edit Custom Tools' you can create these keyboard shortcuts. Check out this post from Audiman 85: http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=3347.msg64413#msg64413

All you have to do is copy his text in the first four boxes in the photo(s) and create a folder on your C: drive called ME7 then put a copy of ME7check and ME7sum in the folder. Then when you are in TunerPro you can use both using Ctrl-C and Shift-C. Using ME7sum will create an new file called 'fixed.bin' in the same folder your original bin is. Rename that to whatever you want and flash it to your ECU...

I like where this is going now. post your mod file so we can check your work.

I would rather see logs :P

Nyet you'd rather see logs cause of my setup I mentioned ? Lol
Haven't got around to messing with the files today "Sunday"
Clutch line decided to piss all over the place.

Trying to download everything to my tablet

HxD did this for the older Motronic and using their freeware tool, I've not used it myself but may give you a better understanding? You've got the ME7 stuff on here as said though too.

Nyet what blocks should i log?
Ill do a before and after once i get everything done..
I only have vagcom for logging..

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You're gonna get a spanking.

Also, where's this file you were going to post?  :P

You need to read more IMO.

Lol Havent got to it yet.. but i will..
What else can i use for logging ?

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so I retried again... same end result this time it ws using both 032HN.Bin and XDF. still 6 errors after checksum... and I only did it through tunerpro... =( what am I doing WRong????

Why haven't you actually tried writing out a file with the errors corrected?

sigh
http://s4wiki.com/wiki/Tuning#Logging_utilities

I dont understand :(


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Thanks nyet. Sorry guys i can imagine this is frustrating for you guys but its equally as frustrating for me if not more. Im the one trying to learn this without any kind of previous knowledge to binary,hex or coding... :(
You guys have been a great help now but like i said im only doing what i read...

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me7sum isn't just a sum checker, it will re-calculate all the checksums for a modified file and write them out to a new file. But you have to tell it to do it.

You don't need to know any of these things to get to where you are just now.  All you've had to do is download a matching XDF and file pair and change numbers in a friendly bit of software.  No binary, no coding or no hex.

Once you've done your changes, correct the checksum errors with Me7Sum.  I think you're expecting to see 6 errors because you changed 6 values.  That's not how that works.

Nyet.... dunno what to say man... sorry... I just figured out what you have been saying...

my problem was I wasn't putting an output for the me7sum...

me7sum imadumbass.bin imadumbassfixed.bin

 
I tried to get the .bin from my older bug it doesn't get past negotiating communication timeings....

can someone check this for me please.... thank you!! :)

Doesn't look like you used the HN bin I posted as a base. You posted your LS bin. I can tell you that the HN xdf does not match it at all... On the plus side though, all the checksums are correct so you have that part solved. ;D

Are you sure you posted the correct bin? The screenshot you had earlier seemed like the xdf lined up properly as the axis values were as expected.

I actually found eskonf and the other two needed for the sai removal locations in my bin by searching for the same bytes. Its the same coding just different 0x12345

Im going to continue finding all of the same locations hopefully make my own xdf for my ls bin :/

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Well always one to endorse visual acuity in learning, plus it helps me keep things fresh in my mind if I ever end up doing anything on these bins;

You've bumped up the injectors so the math/logic changes - sort it, you can't quit now!  ;)
Pic's 1, 2 & 3. General RKTI areas in that file, as the S4 wiki tells you - you've changed the flow, injectors have different latency, bit of a Google/Search and notice the differences in the pics I post and you'll soon get it better!

HFM - Different orifices = different flow, air metering has now changed - again, math/logic changes - sort that too, look through all  the HFM threads to get an idea!
Pics 4 & 5 - the HFM scale in that bin compared to an S3, look at the flow changes, look at the differences in values in hex, look through hfm threads and get some of the 1.8T def files on here, look at hfm in them in winols demo like the pic is - mod the tunerpro file or whatever your using.

Pic 6 - ESKONF - mod as S4 wiki tells you.

That should help get you going at least!

I found eskonf for sure 100% the same but this past day or two ive been searching for most of the maps and i found that the other 2 for sai removal werent in the same location same looking bytes but i dont actually trust it as i searched for the same bytes and came up with 7 of the same code. I think it was a 30 ? Cant remember right now.. i wish there was some way yo actually over lay the bins in hex over each other with transparency i think itd make it way easier for me.

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Is the bin that you posted not the one you're doing?

If it's hard to find things like codewords checking a def file from here against your bin (the >200 bit) - then highlight a few values around it together, like 4 or 5, or a little map near the def files area and see what lines up. For bigger maps with completely different values look for bits after map like offset values which should be same.

I did this a while back for ME7.1.1. for someone if it helps, 30s on that Beetle file gave that too.

RBPE; my 440cc injectors in my car seem to be just fine. My afr hangs just past stoic not 100% rich but I'm also boosting 17psi with diode mod and mbc. So the extra fuel helps incase i lean out in higher boost levels. I figured if my stock injectors are "317cc" the 440s are a total increase of about 28-30% lemmiwinks can bring them down by 25% max so I'm left with roughly 330cc injectors. But i havent messed with fuel yet in the .bins.

Yes im trying to find the locations from the hn.bin on my ls.bin using the xdf from the hn then modifing the hn.xdf which i have saved as ls.xdf.
If I'm understanding correctly your saying the offset remains in the same location even when the address isnt?

Fyi I understand i can just flash the modified hn file to my car i just want to learn this and i feel that by doing what I'm doing ill get a better understanding of it all and actually learn. Cant say ill catch it all fast but ill get there. I come from a past where it was all bolt on none of this tuning stuff. Tho i do enjoy the more clean just plug it in plug it in air freshener style tuning. Its just So nice to have clean hands.
Anyway i also got alot of home things to take care of anyone in miami willing to help hang sheetrock? Lol so between work, home and mechanical work on my car, my time to do this is limited. So may be a while before i finish this ls.xdf.. :(

One more thing does anyone know why nefmoto hangs on

negotiating communication timings...

I've tried changing the baud rate and the only one that won't give an error is the one hanging on that..



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Why don't you read and study before doing anything.

You're running some stupid diode mod and an MBC which is never needed. Ever.  Then fitted injectors, not scaled them, then used Lemmiwinks when we've told you not to; and scaled them back to some silly value based on a rough percentage.

Tune properly or pay someone.

Thats why im here now adam- :) to learn... 

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Fit whatever injectors you want to run, delete the N75, adapt injectors properly. Log. :)

I meant offsets in terms of values/maps in the bin rather than lining up in winols.
Take this picture added for example, I needed to find krkte on a file that was already modified and undefined so I know that the values would be different, possibly >200 of the same value too.
If you've practiced with the winols demo then you'll know that generally the bottom box lights up red (same single value in other area of connected file), however to get them to line up better you want the middle box lit up (numerous values line up in connected file in winols demo) - so highlight a few values together (i.e. the purple box and arrows I added). As you can see, it lines it up in green.
You can also see that there are additional bytes between the files and why it no longer lines up so isn't green after that area. As such, I'd look for the axis values (08 06 18 33 in this case) of the map or a map after this area and once again it would change the offset (winols offset) so it lines up again and goes green. The map values themselves can be vastly different but the axis values are usually the same or some are or are very similar so you can pick them out easier.

With the def files on here, especially for the 1.8T, doing this in the winols demo should mean people can pick out the necessary areas pretty quickly to build their own def file, saves a lot of time and practice!

I've pretty much shown you the main maps to play with to get your air and fuel sorted properly and with the exception of some maps like LDRXN, it should be pretty easy to define your own base tune and file with it without the need for mbc's and diodes.

Also, is that stoich at WOT? Hope not!

Get an ols def file from below, check RKTI and HFM against your bin or the HFM and you'll be well on your way to tuning. Once that's dialled in then it's on to LDRXN and Stage 1/2 tuning threads on here alongside s4wiki - you've got your tune!

http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=467.0title=

Rich @ wot...

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