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Title: Stage 1 BAM 260 hp possible???
Post by: ivan on October 13, 2017, 01:06:39 AM
Hi all i have a seat leon 225 BAM, all stock except forge 007.

i have tuned it  myself, 1.53 bar lambdas 0.95 on low rpm and over 0,85 on high rpm and over 0,80 on red line.

my mass flow only read 190 g/s on 6000 rpm and then drop to 187 on rev limit, which dividide by 0.8 give 235 hp

I have see on lot of pro tuner website that the promise 260 hp, could be that possible?

I am running very close to the ecu boost limit, not very rich lambdas and with 2 3 degrees timing retard on high rpm.

maybe i am doing something wrong.

here i let you my remap:



Title: Re: Stage 1 BAM 260 hp possible???
Post by: spacey3 on October 13, 2017, 02:23:39 AM
Could be just an under reading MAF or a leak somewhere?

Where's the logs?


Title: Re: Stage 1 BAM 260 hp possible???
Post by: fknbrkn on October 13, 2017, 02:54:33 AM
1. power cannot be calculated via maf readings only
2. peak boost absolutely irrelevant to max power / max maf readings.



Title: Re: Stage 1 BAM 260 hp possible❔
Post by: 4ringpieces on October 13, 2017, 09:05:08 AM
Boost pressure at 6k?
Actual Timing at 6k?
Lambda actual at 6k?


Title: Re: Stage 1 BAM 260 hp possible???
Post by: Pasteurised on October 13, 2017, 10:51:56 AM
Check all the hoses connected to the turbo inlet pipe, if one is split or disconnected, air could be bypassing the MAF.
Can you log blocks 003 020 115 in 3rd gear from 2000rpm to limiter.


Title: Re: Stage 1 BAM 260 hp possible???
Post by: vwaudiguy on October 13, 2017, 02:43:37 PM
1. power cannot be calculated via maf readings only
2. peak boost absolutely irrelevant to max power / max maf readings.

This x1000


Title: Re: Stage 1 BAM 260 hp possible???
Post by: ivan on October 14, 2017, 02:16:47 PM
Hi all thanks!! problem is that i bought the car  with a previous remap, car felt faster than now  especially on 6th gear on highway when you push full pedal on medium rpm.

But i had some limp modes and engine jerking a little bit on full throtlle, which is normal because kfmirl and kfmiop where not good and the maps touched where only kfmirl kfmiop ldrxn (up to 250) and a flat  KFDLULS.
Some pictures of the previous remap:

(http://i66.tinypic.com/24ybst1.png)
(http://i67.tinypic.com/2njd6pi.png)
(http://i65.tinypic.com/au8vh0.png)



With than remap mass air flow read  195 g/s (i have tried to write again that map and car read again 195 g/s) on logs with that remap turbo blows over 2550 mbar or i guess so on logs i see 2550mbar.

with my own remap car is smoother and with out limp modes, but more slow...




Title: Re: Stage 1 BAM 260 hp possible❔
Post by: ivan on October 14, 2017, 02:23:10 PM
Boost pressure at 6k?
Actual Timing at 6k?
Lambda actual at 6k?

Boost pressure at 6k?2060mabr
Actual Timing at 6k? I dind´t save the log with that value, but i remember to seec timing retard over on high rpm  of 1 2 degrees.
Lambda actual at 6k?0,844


Title: Re: Stage 1 BAM 260 hp possible❔
Post by: 4ringpieces on October 15, 2017, 01:58:14 AM
Boost too low at 6k
Check leaks and actuator etc.

Get the timing angle in the logs you want 16deg+ at 6k

Go richer at 6k


Title: Re: Stage 1 BAM 260 hp possible???
Post by: jjuuaannk on October 15, 2017, 05:18:56 AM
hello I also have a lion bam 225, and I'm also making my adjustments, so far it "feels" pretty well, with records of vagcom I have a maf reading of 205gs lambda to 0.750 advance 6 or 7

my problem that lowers the pressure of turbo to high rpm like that "falls" >:(


Title: Re: Stage 1 BAM 260 hp possible???
Post by: jjuuaannk on October 15, 2017, 05:30:08 AM
vagcom screen


Title: Re: Stage 1 BAM 260 hp possible❔
Post by: 4ringpieces on October 15, 2017, 08:31:52 AM
11 degrees timing at 6k sucks.


Title: Re: Stage 1 BAM 260 hp possible???
Post by: jjuuaannk on October 15, 2017, 08:51:11 AM
For you that would be a good advance to 6k?


Title: Re: Stage 1 BAM 260 hp possible❔
Post by: 4ringpieces on October 15, 2017, 12:06:48 PM
Tune it better
Log it better - 4 rows of any data is piss poor


Title: Re: Stage 1 BAM 260 hp possible???
Post by: norbi on October 15, 2017, 12:32:29 PM
poor tune maybe :)
please show us log of:
2,3,115
31,118


Title: Re: Stage 1 BAM 260 hp possible???
Post by: nyet on October 15, 2017, 01:18:20 PM
If ME7L works with this ECU, use that, not VCDS.


Title: Re: Stage 1 BAM 260 hp possible❔
Post by: 4ringpieces on October 15, 2017, 01:27:30 PM
It's a Leon cupra so high chances it needs a direct Kline ecu to obd port making


Title: Re: Stage 1 BAM 260 hp possible???
Post by: ivan on October 15, 2017, 02:49:17 PM
you have my remap on first page an ols.

do you think is it a poor tune??


Title: Re: Stage 1 BAM 260 hp possible???
Post by: ivan on October 15, 2017, 02:51:46 PM
vagcom screen

it is weird to mee that you specified lambda is higher on 6500 than 5500...


Title: Re: Stage 1 BAM 260 hp possible???
Post by: jjuuaannk on October 15, 2017, 05:16:09 PM
If ME7L works with this ECU, use that, not VCDS.

not compatible with vagcom cable :(


Title: Re: Stage 1 BAM 260 hp possible???
Post by: jjuuaannk on October 15, 2017, 05:18:36 PM
it is weird to mee that you specified lambda is higher on 6500 than 5500...

I released the pedal there


Title: Re: Stage 1 BAM 260 hp possible❔
Post by: 4ringpieces on October 16, 2017, 12:20:47 AM
not compatible with vagcom cable :(

Yes it is


Title: Re: Stage 1 BAM 260 hp possible???
Post by: adam- on October 16, 2017, 01:03:42 AM
This thread sucks.

Tune to the hardware, not to "260bhp".


Title: Re: Stage 1 BAM 260 hp possible❔
Post by: jjuuaannk on October 16, 2017, 04:41:11 AM
Yes it is

Vagcom no show in com2 com3 com4 only rostech usb


Title: Re: Stage 1 BAM 260 hp possible❔
Post by: jjuuaannk on October 16, 2017, 05:11:25 AM
Vagcom no show in com2 com3 com4 only rostech usb


my hardware is

inlet pipe and short ram intake
turbo new oem k04 023
manifold exhaust v4
modified charge pipe
intercooler front
downpipe 3"
2.0 coils
bkr7e spark plug at 0.028
4bar fuel regulator
fuel pump walbro 255


Title: Re: Stage 1 BAM 260 hp possible❔
Post by: 4ringpieces on October 16, 2017, 05:34:59 AM
Vagcom no show in com2 com3 com4 only rostech usb


Mine works fine. Install ftdi and set to dumb mode


Title: Re: Stage 1 BAM 260 hp possible❔
Post by: 4ringpieces on October 16, 2017, 05:39:56 AM
Genuine turbo or Chinese special?

I had a car tuned it on factory hardware perfectly.

He changed turbo as started to smoke year later.
Soon as turbo replaced it started to knock its tits off, spool obscenely fast yet have no boost at the top.

Chinese exhaust housing on turbo was wrong size.

Swapped housings to old genuine, car back to normal.

yes tune to hardware but also you'll never know what to really expect if it's your first diy tune on only one car


Title: Re: Stage 1 BAM 260 hp possible???
Post by: ivan on October 16, 2017, 07:40:30 AM
This thread sucks.

Tune to the hardware, not to "260bhp".

You misundestood me, i just ask if  is it  possible to achive that power with stock hardware just with software tuning.

On the other hand, i am a bit frustated aboyt car is faster with a very bad remap (flat KFDLULS and ldrxn to the sky) and slower with my own remap which is made on the right way (or i think so) you have my own remap on first page but no one give a opinion about it.
 As i say cars goes better with the new remap smoother and more confortable but it is far of 250 260 hp i think.
thanks!




Title: Re: Stage 1 BAM 260 hp possible❔
Post by: Wak on October 16, 2017, 04:44:41 PM
Yes it’s possible when the car was stock and brand new , every big tuner quotes on the fresh new hardware they have available to them and expectations based on those numbers,

But the cars are old, bits worn, and mostly modified in some form we hope for the better but no ones really knows how it all hangs together until your asking for max boost and either it will hold great boost  fuels well and run good advance or it won’t do one or all three of the above .


Title: Re: Stage 1 BAM 260 hp possible❔
Post by: ivan on October 17, 2017, 04:05:09 AM
Yes it’s possible when the car was stock and brand new , every big tuner quotes on the fresh new hardware they have available to them and expectations based on those numbers,

But the cars are old, bits worn, and mostly modified in some form we hope for the better but no ones really knows how it all hangs together until your asking for max boost and either it will hold great boost  fuels well and run good advance or it won’t do one or all three of the above .

Yes you are right, now my goal will be have same power  wit my own remap that with the previous one, which i have paste pictures, i always have read thata flat  kfdluls  its a wrong way to tuning me7.5 but affect it on power?  i am going to change  KFLDHBN with higher values and see what happend probably limp mode i am afraid.


Title: Re: Stage 1 BAM 260 hp possible???
Post by: Pasteurised on October 17, 2017, 06:39:37 AM
Here is a conservative Stage 1 file for BAM engine.
It flows 205g/s on my car which is now back to stock, except for a downpipe and decat.