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Technical => Cluster and Immobilizer => Topic started by: ventt on February 08, 2018, 05:56:58 AM



Title: Audi A6 C5 cluster into A4 B5 (immo2 vs immo3 and fuel gauge)
Post by: ventt on February 08, 2018, 05:56:58 AM
Hello

The car I'm planning to do this mod is 1999 Audi A4 B5 2.5TDi q AFB (yes it's an euro and has immo for sure)

ECU should be Bosch EDC15

since I got nothing to do and my B5 cluster has died, I was thinking of swapping with a C5 one.
My B5 cluster is a 8D0 919 (immo 2) and got lying around an 4B0 920 cluster (immo 3).

Now there are few things that confuse me. Do I have to switch immo off from the ECU or my C5 cluster?
The blinking light in the cluster won't be a problem.
I've seen that you can switch the 4B0 920 cluster to immo 2 with VCDS and the rev. counter should start working too.
What about using an immo emulator, it should do the same trick to get my car running?

Now the second problem, A6 has an 70l tank and A4 has an 60l tank.
If i modify the fuel gauge map, it should start showing the right thing?

The whole thing is doable with
 * ME7 EEPROM programmer - to read/write ECU dump?
 * VAG_K+CAN_Commander_v2.5 - to read/write dash dump?
 * 95040Tool - to switch immo off?

I just recently found this forum and overloaded myself with new information, got a little bit confused.  :D


Title: Re: Audi A6 C5 cluster into A4 B5 (immo2 vs immo3 and fuel gauge)
Post by: macxxx on February 09, 2018, 01:21:05 AM
If you plan to swap a 920 cluster you will need to change a few pins beetween the cluster connections , change the oil pan to a one with oil sensor

Then change the fuel gauge map , immo will work without problems


Title: Re: Audi A6 C5 cluster into A4 B5 (immo2 vs immo3 and fuel gauge)
Post by: ventt on February 09, 2018, 02:27:01 AM
Yep, I know that, got the pinout from http://www.buckeyestangs.com/drew/tech/audi/b5_instrument_cluster_pinout/
Already got the oil pan with level sensor.

Still, I don't think that immo 2 and immo 3 are changeable. Found that the 4B0 920 cluster has adaption channel 60 which is for the powertrain CAN, if I recode it to 00000, the cluster SHOULD work with immo 2 and start showing revs through analog inut, but can someone confirm that?


Title: Re: Audi A6 C5 cluster into A4 B5 (immo2 vs immo3 and fuel gauge)
Post by: macxxx on February 09, 2018, 02:38:35 AM
It works , you adapt it like immo2


Title: Re: Audi A6 C5 cluster into A4 B5 (immo2 vs immo3 and fuel gauge)
Post by: macxxx on February 09, 2018, 07:01:59 AM
Here's a link for you http://www.audi4ever.com/assets/siteContent/tipps/audi_a6_kombiinstrument_umbau_can.pdf


Title: Re: Audi A6 C5 cluster into A4 B5 (immo2 vs immo3 and fuel gauge)
Post by: ventt on April 25, 2018, 04:30:37 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/O6xB5Uv.jpg)

:)


Title: Re: Audi A6 C5 cluster into A4 B5 (immo2 vs immo3 and fuel gauge)
Post by: macxxx on April 25, 2018, 04:45:57 AM
I can turn off the sensor error in cluster dump if you want


Title: Re: Audi A6 C5 cluster into A4 B5 (immo2 vs immo3 and fuel gauge)
Post by: ventt on May 02, 2018, 05:02:15 AM
No need, I already installed the oil pan with sensor. It was just too cold outside to do it when I posted it.

(https://i.imgur.com/shuKMo6.jpg)

Installed RNS-e too. :P


Title: Re: Audi A6 C5 cluster into A4 B5 (immo2 vs immo3 and fuel gauge)
Post by: quattro64 on August 22, 2020, 03:34:46 AM
i give it a shot because it a long time ago this thread...
how did you do the fuel gauge adapting in your cluster..i did the same clusterswap but only the fuel gauge needs adapting to
work normally as in a a4b5..


Title: Re: Audi A6 C5 cluster into A4 B5 (immo2 vs immo3 and fuel gauge)
Post by: Fazi on August 30, 2020, 11:22:01 PM
i give it a shot because it a long time ago this thread...
how did you do the fuel gauge adapting in your cluster..i did the same clusterswap but only the fuel gauge needs adapting to
work normally as in a a4b5..

Add dump . I can change it for you


Title: Re: Audi A6 C5 cluster into A4 B5 (immo2 vs immo3 and fuel gauge)
Post by: quattro64 on August 31, 2020, 11:50:55 AM
thanx in advance,
hope you can help me.


Title: Re: Audi A6 C5 cluster into A4 B5 (immo2 vs immo3 and fuel gauge)
Post by: elektronik13 on August 31, 2020, 01:32:54 PM
thanx in advance,
hope you can help me.
maybe it will be better to change the sensor in the fuel level tank


Title: Re: Audi A6 C5 cluster into A4 B5 (immo2 vs immo3 and fuel gauge)
Post by: macxxx on August 31, 2020, 01:33:57 PM
Easier and quicker is to edit eeprom ;)


Title: Re: Audi A6 C5 cluster into A4 B5 (immo2 vs immo3 and fuel gauge)
Post by: quattro64 on August 31, 2020, 08:55:44 PM
change the sensor in the tank..? ....sensor of a a6c5 transplant in the tank of a a4b5...?is that possible..?
but the tank in the a4 is 60 liters. .and  the tank of the a6 has 70 liters...


Title: Re: Audi A6 C5 cluster into A4 B5 (immo2 vs immo3 and fuel gauge)
Post by: macxxx on August 31, 2020, 10:05:14 PM
As I remember people  used  a passat b5 sensor


Title: Re: Audi A6 C5 cluster into A4 B5 (immo2 vs immo3 and fuel gauge)
Post by: quattro64 on September 01, 2020, 09:44:55 AM
is it not possible to change the tanksensor with parts of the tanksensor from the a6...?
the sensor from the a6 does not fit in the a4b5 i guess...?
i will google it.


Title: Re: Audi A6 C5 cluster into A4 B5 (immo2 vs immo3 and fuel gauge)
Post by: macxxx on September 01, 2020, 09:50:37 AM
Wait for Fazi he will do it for sure , I know him personally. If I will have time in the evening I czn also edit it.


Title: Re: Audi A6 C5 cluster into A4 B5 (immo2 vs immo3 and fuel gauge)
Post by: Fazi on September 01, 2020, 12:58:45 PM
be careful because this is a crypto  instruments cluster.  do you have a dump read with a programmer?


Title: Re: Audi A6 C5 cluster into A4 B5 (immo2 vs immo3 and fuel gauge)
Post by: quattro64 on September 01, 2020, 09:01:16 PM
thanx.
i use vag eeprom reader. with this i have also retrieve the pincode.


Title: Re: Audi A6 C5 cluster into A4 B5 (immo2 vs immo3 and fuel gauge)
Post by: quattro64 on September 02, 2020, 10:52:20 AM
thanx thanx and thanx again.
yes this works perfectly.
my fuelgauge  works as it shoud be.
 ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Audi A6 C5 cluster into A4 B5 (immo2 vs immo3 and fuel gauge)
Post by: Mafu on June 29, 2021, 04:51:31 AM
Hi. Anybody can help me please with eeprom modification? The fuel level is not ok ant the oil temp is not working. Atached the bin file.

Thank you


Title: Re: Audi A6 C5 cluster into A4 B5 (immo2 vs immo3 and fuel gauge)
Post by: porter on November 03, 2022, 02:50:24 PM
Hi, i'm new for this place. I have a question if you can resolve me. I buy an rs6 c5 dashboard to my a4 b5, then the problem apart of the level gauge is the rs6 dashboard is in mph, and I have kmh dial, so what line should be modified in the offset eprom for speedometer and fuel gauge?   I have an rs4 b5 eeprom data but now the fis doesn't work good

PD: sorry for my poor english

A greeting


Title: Re: Audi A6 C5 cluster into A4 B5 (immo2 vs immo3 and fuel gauge)
Post by: porter on November 03, 2022, 09:27:51 PM
Hi, i'm new for this place. I have a question if you can resolve me. I buy an rs6 c5 dashboard to my a4 b5, then the problem apart of the level gauge is the rs6 dashboard is in mph, and I have kmh dial, so what line should be modified in the offset eprom for speedometer and fuel gauge?   I have an rs4 b5 eeprom data but now the fis doesn't work good

PD: sorry for my poor english

A greeting

I leave here the Rs4 b5 eeprom in km/h. Later I will upload the Rs6 C5 in mph





Title: Re: Audi A6 C5 cluster into A4 B5 (immo2 vs immo3 and fuel gauge)
Post by: porter on November 04, 2022, 05:50:58 PM
This bin is the audi RS6 c5 in mph


Title: Re: Audi A6 C5 cluster into A4 B5 (immo2 vs immo3 and fuel gauge)
Post by: BlackT on November 06, 2022, 12:22:57 PM
HERE is oem rs6 c5 kmh cluster bin
k+commander read


Title: Re: Audi A6 C5 cluster into A4 B5 (immo2 vs immo3 and fuel gauge)
Post by: porter on November 07, 2022, 04:00:07 PM
HERE is oem rs6 c5 kmh cluster bin
k+commander read

thank you very much, i try to upload in my dashboard

A greeting


Title: Re: Audi A6 C5 cluster into A4 B5 (immo2 vs immo3 and fuel gauge)
Post by: Fazi on November 09, 2022, 11:37:50 PM
thank you very much, i try to upload in my dashboard

A greeting
Don't upload this by OBD because you will damage dashboard. If you still have a problem I can modify your Ori dump from rs6.


Title: Re: Audi A6 C5 cluster into A4 B5 (immo2 vs immo3 and fuel gauge)
Post by: BlackT on November 10, 2022, 12:00:03 AM
Don't upload this by OBD because you will damage dashboard. If you still have a problem I can modify your Ori dump from rs6.
Why  not, is something wrong with this read?


Title: Re: Audi A6 C5 cluster into A4 B5 (immo2 vs immo3 and fuel gauge)
Post by: porter on November 10, 2022, 04:10:00 AM
Don't upload this by OBD because you will damage dashboard. If you still have a problem I can modify your Ori dump from rs6.

I think when i put the Rs4 dump the dashboard brick, I can`t write a another eeprom with vag comander or programmer 1.19. The fis is red and in the kilometers appears "def". I don't know if this have solution or disconnect the battery 1 day probably solution this problem


Title: Re: Audi A6 C5 cluster into A4 B5 (immo2 vs immo3 and fuel gauge)
Post by: Fazi on November 10, 2022, 08:23:59 AM
Why  not, is something wrong with this read?
Rs6 dump is crypto. If you write other dump by OBD you will have a problem.
If you change area mph to kmh based on Ori rs6 dump there is no problem to write it by OBD.


Title: Re: Audi A6 C5 cluster into A4 B5 (immo2 vs immo3 and fuel gauge)
Post by: porter on November 10, 2022, 05:37:56 PM
Rs6 dump is crypto. If you write other dump by OBD you will have a problem.
If you change area mph to kmh based on Ori rs6 dump there is no problem to write it by OBD.

and if I don't write with the other dump what is a posible solution?

A greeting


Title: Re: Audi A6 C5 cluster into A4 B5 (immo2 vs immo3 and fuel gauge)
Post by: Fazi on November 11, 2022, 02:24:09 AM
and if I don't write with the other dump what is a posible solution?

A greeting
Upload Ori RS6 dump and write what you want to change.
- fuel gauge (from A4 B5)
- mph to kmh (only milage on digi screen?)


Title: Re: Audi A6 C5 cluster into A4 B5 (immo2 vs immo3 and fuel gauge)
Post by: fknbrkn on November 11, 2022, 03:15:10 AM
http://afis.info/download/get_ade.php


Title: Re: Audi A6 C5 cluster into A4 B5 (immo2 vs immo3 and fuel gauge)
Post by: porter on November 11, 2022, 05:12:48 PM
ok, tomorrow I will try to upload, now I create a new modify dump with the program you pass me.

 With the vag commander or what program I need to write the eeprom? I have vag comander 1.4 and vag eeprom programmer 1.19

A greeting and thank you all for reply