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Technical => Tuning => Topic started by: midnight_man on April 27, 2019, 01:30:22 AM



Title: ME 7.5 1.8T AWT load limiting
Post by: midnight_man on April 27, 2019, 01:30:22 AM
hi guys,

i made kat off, rear lambda off, stage 1 tune ( kfmirl, kfmiop, ldrnx) but i am asking 170 load im maps and with test drive i have only 145 load and 1900mbar boost.

can somebody hint me what can limit me? thanks!!


Title: Re: ME 7.5 1.8T AWT load limiting
Post by: ulek3pl on April 27, 2019, 02:55:22 AM
bad maf


Title: Re: ME 7.5 1.8T AWT load limiting
Post by: midnight_man on April 27, 2019, 03:15:20 AM
MAF is fresh new... i thing there is some limit which is limiting me!!!!

can somebody advice me what to log with vcds????


Title: Re: ME 7.5 1.8T AWT load limiting
Post by: Kacza on April 27, 2019, 03:56:47 AM
Upload a file here.


Title: Re: ME 7.5 1.8T AWT load limiting
Post by: fknbrkn on April 27, 2019, 12:22:18 PM
Kfldhbn


Title: Re: ME 7.5 1.8T AWT load limiting
Post by: midnight_man on April 27, 2019, 01:28:30 PM
thanks guys!


Title: Re: ME 7.5 1.8T AWT load limiting
Post by: midnight_man on April 28, 2019, 03:21:48 AM
I downloaded ME logger and I am going to log:

ldrlts_w
ldrlms_w   
rl   
rl_w
rlmax_w
rlsol_w
rlmx_w
perfmax_w
B_brlmx
misol_w
misopl1
fldrrx_w

will upload graph...thanks!


Title: Re: ME 7.5 1.8T AWT load limiting
Post by: midnight_man on April 28, 2019, 06:37:37 AM
so.... Charge limit turbo protection is limiting me on 149 load!

will put 18% to KFLDHBN


Title: Re: ME 7.5 1.8T AWT load limiting
Post by: nyet on April 28, 2019, 05:00:19 PM
I downloaded ME logger and I am going to log:

ldrlts_w
ldrlms_w   
rl   
rl_w
rlmax_w
rlsol_w
rlmx_w
perfmax_w
B_brlmx
misol_w
misopl1
fldrrx_w

will upload graph...thanks!

Please log more than that.


Title: Re: ME 7.5 1.8T AWT load limiting
Post by: midnight_man on April 29, 2019, 01:13:16 AM
thanks,

can you advice what?

i am 100 percent sure that charge limit protection is problem.


Title: Re: ME 7.5 1.8T AWT load limiting
Post by: nyet on April 29, 2019, 07:43:23 AM
thanks,

can you advice what?

i am 100 percent sure that charge limit protection is problem.

Did you read any of this?

https://s4wiki.com/wiki/Tuning#Logging_utilities


Title: Re: ME 7.5 1.8T AWT load limiting
Post by: midnight_man on April 29, 2019, 12:02:02 PM
sure...but I was asking if you can advice what values to log ;)


Title: Re: ME 7.5 1.8T AWT load limiting
Post by: nyet on April 29, 2019, 06:46:58 PM
sure...but I was asking if you can advice what values to log ;)
It literally tells you what to log.

You can always log all of those.


Title: Re: ME 7.5 1.8T AWT load limiting
Post by: fredrik_a on April 29, 2019, 10:32:09 PM
i am 100 percent sure that charge limit protection is problem.

So... Why don't you modify that then?


Title: Re: ME 7.5 1.8T AWT load limiting
Post by: midnight_man on June 05, 2019, 09:39:49 AM
guys I have problem propably with torque intervention in low load...

I made KFMIOP and KFMIRL in ME 7 tunner wizard... seems to be bad calculated?

thanks!


Title: Re: ME 7.5 1.8T AWT load limiting
Post by: BlackT on June 05, 2019, 11:28:07 AM
Don't use ME 7 tuner wizard. tune KFMIOP and KFMIRL by your own.
Anyway, Log rlsol_w,rlmx_w,rlmax_w,misopl1_w,mifa_w,misol_w,miszul_w ,plsol,mrfa_w and rl
Then we can help you


Title: Re: ME 7.5 1.8T AWT load limiting
Post by: Blazius on June 05, 2019, 11:48:46 AM
guys I have problem propably with torque intervention in low load...

I made KFMIOP and KFMIRL in ME 7 tunner wizard... seems to be bad calculated?

thanks!

ME7Tuner wizard only provides rough approx, or you didnt set up KFMIRL properly anyway. torque intervention in low load comes max allowable torque from that pedal pos, (60>% ), log them value and report back.


Title: Re: ME 7.5 1.8T AWT load limiting
Post by: midnight_man on June 09, 2019, 09:04:56 AM
I optimalized KFMIOP and KFMIRL tables and sticking is gone :)

but still cant get engine load higher....

engine load corrected and charge limit turbo protection are limiting me :(


Title: Re: ME 7.5 1.8T AWT load limiting
Post by: BlackT on June 09, 2019, 09:48:14 AM
please log throttle plate angle,accelator position and RPM, without that variables logs are not usable


Title: Re: ME 7.5 1.8T AWT load limiting
Post by: midnight_man on June 09, 2019, 09:51:19 AM
thanks, most time its WOT...
I forget to log rpm......

but you can see that chargelimit protection is limiting me?

but I edited KFLDHBN almost twice...



Title: Re: ME 7.5 1.8T AWT load limiting
Post by: Blazius on June 09, 2019, 10:14:14 AM
thanks, most time its WOT...
I forget to log rpm......

but you can see that chargelimit protection is limiting me?

but I edited KFLDHBN almost twice...



Do you know what HBN does , or how it works ? Its max pressure ratio based on RPM and IAT axes. LDRXN is a load limiter. Load in me7 is a defined thing , so it takes iat, vvt and other stuff into account. HBN doesnt. Its also not a % map, like you said a few posts back.


Title: Re: ME 7.5 1.8T AWT load limiting
Post by: midnight_man on June 09, 2019, 10:36:36 AM
thanks...I am looking at that LDRXN and its

171   173   174   176   177   178   178   179   179   179   172   167   165   163   162   157

so at higher RPM its going down...:D so propably its OK..I just have high rpm ...


Title: Re: ME 7.5 1.8T AWT load limiting
Post by: Blazius on June 09, 2019, 11:42:41 AM
thanks...I am looking at that LDRXN and its

171   173   174   176   177   178   178   179   179   179   172   167   165   163   162   157

so at higher RPM its going down...:D so propably its OK..I just have high rpm ...

its supposed to go down. You need to understand basic turbocharging principles. You need to look up a compressor map for the KO3. Supposed to taper the ko3 towards high rpm because else you gonna run off the map or be in very bad efficiency islands.


Title: Re: ME 7.5 1.8T AWT load limiting
Post by: BlackT on June 09, 2019, 01:09:26 PM
thanks, most time its WOT...
I forget to log rpm......

but you can see that chargelimit protection is limiting me?

but I edited KFLDHBN almost twice...


i neeed throotle information. Beacuse I cant use ECUx program wizhout it. Yust log again those varibles with throotle and RPM then I will tell you what limitng you boost


Title: Re: ME 7.5 1.8T AWT load limiting
Post by: midnight_man on June 09, 2019, 01:22:58 PM
Thanks! Will log again with all variables needed...


Title: Re: ME 7.5 1.8T AWT load limiting
Post by: snuff on January 18, 2022, 09:57:49 AM
You need to rescale axis  and values of KFMIOP that is what it is limiting you. AWT only allows load of the highest of the KFMIOP axis (145 in stock).
There are some ecus which behaves like this and AWT is surely one of them.