NefMoto

This is my first post, been lurking for several years now.
I am stuck on tunerpro and have no Idea how to begin editing the maps. I have figured out bootmode, eeprom flashing via cmd with argdubs tool, ecu flashing/reading with Galetto. Mostly have issues reading and flashing with nefmoto on the bench and have better luck in bootmode. I have figured out me7logger and how to edit definitions for logging. I have done all this thanks to researching nefmoto, Audizine, s4wiki among a pluthera of google searches.

So this is where I'm at. Working on a 03 Jetta Wagon ECU 06A906032LQ to delete sai as it has failed and I'd rather delete it than put a new pump on. It has to pass emissions so I am trying to follow the s4wiki directions to write it out. I installed both versions of tunerpro and tunerpro rt. I have my stock .bin file ripped/pulled. I don't think it's stock though since nefmoto won't do anything with it. I even deleted the immo and still security locked out of it. but that's besides the point.

When I load the bin file in tunerpro, it loads. when I try to import xdf from ecu it just crashes tunerpro. I have made an .ecu file with me7logger that I'm trying to use to no avail. I downloaded definitions provided by argdub  * LP-PL damos.rar and VW Golf LP-PL.kp files. They don't seem to be compatible with tunerpro or I'm doing something completely wrong.
I need someone to give me a walkthrough of the steps I need to go through to create and load the files to tunerpro (me7.5 specific) so I can edit the sai out of the ecu. Once I figure out how to create and load the files into tunerpro I will be able to follow the directions provided to write and tune these ECU's.

I have several VAG cars I am playing with. 1 being my 01 GTI 1.8t with Rods, AEB w/supertech springs, 550 ev14 on 4 bar, ko4xl, 3" turbo back, with a base mafless tune by ssp that has never been properly adjusted, because I can't get Greg or anybody else for that matter to step up and finish it. I know I just need to learn it and do it myself, but this tunerpro issue has me stalled out again.

Not sure how I made the testjetta.xdf file, but I know it's wrong.
But there are the files I'm working with.

 First download winols demo or the .kp or .ols files are useless https://www.evc.de/en/download/down_winols.asp

Not really, but IMO you should learn WinOls its way better than TunerPro

I would use winols but I don't have it. I ordered it. I have tunerpro as of now as specified in the s4wiki and nefmoto. Just no info really on how to use it with our ecu's

It's like pulling teeth trying find anything useful. There needs to be a sticky on how to apply tunerpro if everybody says to use it. it is essential for us to be able to do anything short of flashing and logging.

Ok just got my winols 2.24 download off ebay. let's see how it works. Or if it works.

Any tips or advice to get started?

Doesn't look like it's going to work. It's some hacked version. Anybody use it?

Does the demo version of winols work for what we need? Or do I need a registered version?

Hacked version .. works. Demo version of WinOls works fine too but you cannot save or do checksum however its good for finding maps for example.

Start by watching a WinOls guide first. Starting with this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6AAh_Vgf5A

This will give you basic info about interface etc.

Thank you. will start there.

Where do I find these values to disable sai? MSLUB (0x1A698)
MSLBAS (0x183CC)

My guess is that is mbox and does not correlate to my ecu.

yes those are S4 ecu adresses. Do you have a 512kb or 1mb flash ? You need to find a full /partial mappack for a similar bin to yours , and use a hex comparer to get the rough section where the map is located. After that you need to go 2D mode in WinOls and find the map yourself. OR the other thing you can try is crossflashing a fully defined bin,make sure you got bootmode ready for this.

it's me7.5 and from what I understand, it's 800BB 1mb flash. LOL bootmode ready! I found someone else looking for the same files for the same ECU hence the lp-pl files I included in my original post.
Shouldn't the Damos file I posted work?
I got it to open the hex dump. Not sure where to go from there?
I'm not going to flash anything I edit to the ecu until I'm sure it's right.
When I compared the maps there was over 3000 differences.

I suspect the ecu to be tuned giac, apr or something commercial considering all the issues I've had reading or accessing the ecu. The car runs neck and neck with a stage 1+ tuned Passat but appears all stock. Anybody able to confirm this?

Thats okay, when you open a fully defined bin/mappack in WinOls you can see the starting adresses of the  maps next to the map name like so :

(https://i.imgur.com/s1gvYkZ.png)

so you type this in your Hex comparers search bar , make sure the set search to run on the right bin( the defined one).

After this you will get the adress for your bin for the location. IF your cursor for the comparer lands on an "empty" area just click to the nearest value and use that adress in WinOls search bar.

(https://i.imgur.com/KKOhzts.png)

The right adress is for the defined bin , and the left adress is for my bin. Now you go back to WinOls and search for this adress. (Ctrl+G)
If your software is similar your land right on the starting adress or on one of the map values. To see this you go 2D mode in WinOls and see if the graph looks like the map you are looking for. You need to watch that vid I posted earlier to get the basics of defining maps , axes , and values/ factors etc.

Found this below. Am I on the right track?


(KFFMSML) Exhaust backpressure correction of the secondary air mass - Abgasgegendruckkorrektur der Sekundärluftmasse (8x8)

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      %                     
      3.000   54.750   55.500   80.250   81.000   0.000   58.500   58.500
Upm   2920.0   0.0000   0.0625   0.0625   0.1563   0.1953   0.2344   0.3125   0.3907
   2960.0   0.4688   0.5469   0.6250   0.1563   0.2578   0.3125   0.3672   0.4141
   4280.0   0.5235   0.6250   0.7266   1.0782   0.9297   0.9219   0.9063   0.8594
   4320.0   0.7813   0.7266   0.6797   0.9766   0.9297   0.9297   0.8594   0.8282
   0.0   0.7579   0.6719   0.6094   0.9844   0.8985   0.9063   0.8282   0.7813
   3120.0   0.7032   0.6329   0.5860   0.9141   0.8985   0.8204   0.7110   0.6954
   3120.0   0.6719   0.5469   0.3672   0.8204   0.7500   0.6719   0.5625   0.4453
   0.0   0.3047   0.2110   0.1328   0.7813   0.6719   0.5157   0.3672   0.2578

I found the cdsls code. When I clicked on it, it opened a small window with a value of 1.00. I double clicked it and it opened up the properties window. Where it says "value=" is that where I change the value from a 1 to a 0?

Ok so the base file from my car seems to match pretty close to the lp-pl file under line 0181C0 I know that doesn't mean much

Still trying to figure out what all I'm looking for and don't really know what to do if I find it. I watched the video and several of his other videos, and still pretty lost.

To find what you need , open the specific map you are looking for in the defined bin, look at the values etc. Then alt+click it to view it in hexdump. Now view it in 16 bit hex mode , and top left set zoom % to like 400. Memorize how it looks, now using what Ive told you earlier, you can confirm if a map that you found might be the one you are looking for or not.

This is what I got so far. I'm following you, but I'm new, I'm new I don't know what to do!

This makes logging and flashing childs play in comparison.

So I found a match in the maps so I can find code for my ecu based off the damos file I have. now to find out how to set sai for readiness pass and do away with it.

Use 2D mode in hexdump view, then you can see how the actual map looks like, instead of looking at 3d mode.

For some reason in 2d mode the scales are way off between the 2 files, but in 3d and text I don't see a difference in the areas I looked at. Particularly 1ECB0 and when I did the same check on CDSLS I found them to be very similar. One of the text boxes was different by 2 digits but 3d looks the same. I think I'm in the right area to edit sai, but the original file doesn't have any winols map segments to start from. Not sure how to create the segments, the video is using a different version of winols and he has preset segments. I don't know what to edit or how to begin editing at this point. I can sorta navigate the map at least now. So I can maybe tell if the file has been tuned if I knew what parameters to check.

Figured out the zoom issue. The maps look to be the same after checking several sectors.

I think I have some of it figured out. Downloaded the latest demo version of winols and that allows me to view the definitions for the lq.ols file for my car I found here on nefmoto. I can now work off the demo videos as we are using the same version. Can't save with the demo version but I can find the map locations, see the definitions and find the areas to change the values and apply it to the bootleg winols off ebay or tunerpro to save the edits. It would be easiest to just buy the latest registered version of winols. But I'm cheap and don't want to flip the bill on something I barely know how to navigate. Once I'm a little more versed in this, I will save myself a couple steps by getting winols registered. As of now a Hex editor is a hex editor, winols or tunerpro seem to function the same for that matter aside from file compatibility between the programs.

Now that I have this much figured out I need to start a new thread I guess to figure out what to write out to delete sai and pass readiness.
Where should I post the new thread where I will get help?
I know if I post in the wrong section either nobody there will know how to help me, nyet will flag it, move it or remove it.

I really want and need to learn this. I don't want anybody to do it for me, but need somebody willing to take a little time to teach me me7.5

My cars list.
1998 A4 1.8t stage 1+
2001 TT 225
2001 GTI *built 1.8t w/AEB and rods
2003 Jetta Wagon
2004 Passat stage 1+
98.5 Jetta TDI
01 jetta TDI donor car
99.5 Golf donor car
01 Passat donor

I appreciate that you want to learn WinOls its not easy at first as you can see but it will do you good.
I'd say post it in Tuning or Noob section , it will be fine most likely.

The greek is starting to translate. I got the definitions merged with my bin file and it is starting to make sense. I am miles from knowing what to do with it when it comes to adjusting the tune for Air/fuel, timing, boost and such, but this little bit of understanding I think I can write out systems now. I will work my way up to fixing my GTI tune.

Thank you Blazius for your help.