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Technical => Diagnostics => Topic started by: kacperoooni on June 29, 2019, 12:56:44 PM



Title: Boost Problem, no n75 reaction
Post by: kacperoooni on June 29, 2019, 12:56:44 PM
Hi guys,

Today I tried to calibrate boost pid with k03-k04-064 hybrid turbo. I set CWMDAPP to 8 and KFLDRAPP to 10 20 30 etc. DC, but I get no reaction. I see set DC during logging but boost seems to be the same on 0% and even 95% DC(like 0.7-0.8bar). The clicking noise from n75 can be heard too(so it works). Leak test done, vcds showed P1200(n239 malfuction) which I've already fixed, n75 checked. If I disconnect n75 from actuator, turbo boosts about 1.2 bar so WG should be OK. I logged with me7logger but I dont have logs anymore, but as far as I remember: Throttle angle 100%, Overboost condition 0, stft ~4%, knock 0 degree.  I run out of ideas now. Does anybody came across similiar problem?


Title: Re: Boost Problem, no n75 reaction
Post by: fknbrkn on June 29, 2019, 02:10:04 PM
wrong n75 connection


Title: Re: Boost Problem, no n75 reaction
Post by: kacperoooni on June 29, 2019, 02:26:58 PM
Unfortunately, n75 connection is correct :/


Title: Re: Boost Problem, no n75 reaction
Post by: fknbrkn on June 29, 2019, 02:38:27 PM
try another n75 then


Title: Re: Boost Problem, no n75 reaction
Post by: kacperoooni on June 29, 2019, 02:49:52 PM
3 n75's tried, still the same problem


Title: Re: Boost Problem, no n75 reaction
Post by: fknbrkn on June 29, 2019, 03:51:19 PM
wrong n75 connection  :D


Title: Re: Boost Problem, no n75 reaction
Post by: BlackT on June 29, 2019, 11:39:50 PM
Post your log, and if I understand you correctly, you say have 0.8 bar boost at 0% WDC?


Title: Re: Boost Problem, no n75 reaction
Post by: prj on June 30, 2019, 03:58:07 AM
Mechanical problem, if you disconnect hose from actuator it should go to 2 bar+, not just 1.2 bar.


Title: Re: Boost Problem, no n75 reaction
Post by: kacperoooni on June 30, 2019, 02:12:50 PM
well i let the gas after it went 1.2 bar because of afraid of damaging it, n75 is connected correctly. WG actuator crack pressure is 0.6 bar, no leaks, all hoses clean, no holdups inside. I really dont know what is happening. this actuator breaks laws of physics.. Car now is like 300kms away from me (paint job :P) so I can't log it now.


Title: Re: Boost Problem, no n75 reaction
Post by: BlackT on June 30, 2019, 02:31:52 PM
You have 0.8 bar boost when your WDC is 0%?


Title: Re: Boost Problem, no n75 reaction
Post by: kacperoooni on June 30, 2019, 06:05:45 PM
Yes, rapp 0 dc or n75 plug disconnected, then it boosts 0.7-0.8 bar. With rapp set to 80 or even 95% its still the same boost like with 0dc. Oh, I forgot. It"s 1.8t AWU new beetle with ecu 032hj flashed with 032bj.


Title: Re: Boost Problem, no n75 reaction
Post by: nyet on June 30, 2019, 06:12:09 PM
Your wg is stuck wide open or you have a massive intake restriction

What about wg line physically disconnected?


Title: Re: Boost Problem, no n75 reaction
Post by: BlackT on June 30, 2019, 11:40:14 PM
Hi guys,

Today I tried to calibrate boost pid with k03-k04-064 hybrid turbo. I set CWMDAPP to 8 and KFLDRAPP to 10 20 30 etc. DC, but I get no reaction. I see set DC during logging but boost seems to be the same on 0% and even 95% DC(like 0.7-0.8bar). The clicking noise from n75 can be heard too(so it works). Leak test done, vcds showed P1200(n239 malfuction) which I've already fixed, n75 checked. If I disconnect n75 from actuator, turbo boosts about 1.2 bar so WG should be OK. I logged with me7logger but I dont have logs anymore, but as far as I remember: Throttle angle 100%, Overboost condition 0, stft ~4%, knock 0 degree.  I run out of ideas now. Does anybody came across similiar problem?
How you can hear clickin noise on N75?  During engine running, or you test it with vcds?
In normal operation, even on dyno with hood wide open I don't think you can hear when N75 is clicking.


Title: Re: Boost Problem, no n75 reaction
Post by: kacperoooni on July 01, 2019, 07:04:25 AM
Your wg is stuck wide open or you have a massive intake restriction

What about wg line physically disconnected?
With WG line disconnected turbo starts boosting normally (i think, sounds like starting jet :P), but I'm afraid of breaking it so when I got 1.2 bar I let the pedal. Intake is 2,75" with 550x140x65 fmic (isn't that too short?). When I get the car back I will take dp off and check wastegate tightness.

How you can hear clickin noise on N75?  During engine running, or you test it with vcds?
In normal operation, even on dyno with hood wide open I don't think you can hear when N75 is clicking.

With RAPP set to 80%, also with 0% PED, you can hear clicking even on idle. Also in new beetle n75 is almost behind your steering wheel.


Title: Re: Boost Problem, no n75 reaction
Post by: k0mpresd on July 01, 2019, 08:47:47 AM
oh, well, thats the problem. its a beetle. bin it and start over with something not a beetle.


Title: Re: Boost Problem, no n75 reaction
Post by: nyet on July 01, 2019, 06:52:29 PM
If the wg stays closed with the line disconnected, but opens too early with the wg line connected to the n75 regardless of duty, the problem is pretty obvious.


Title: Re: Boost Problem, no n75 reaction
Post by: kacperoooni on July 02, 2019, 03:40:08 AM
If the wg stays closed with the line disconnected, but opens too early with the wg line connected to the n75 regardless of duty, the problem is pretty obvious.
Tested 3 working n75, no difference. Is wastegate actuator damaged? It's not tune problem, because .bin was tested in other cars and worked as intended.


Title: Re: Boost Problem, no n75 reaction
Post by: nyet on July 02, 2019, 08:57:23 AM
Something is bleeding pressure to the wgs. if the wg actuator is damaged, i can't imagine it opening *more* easily than it should. the spring is either overcome with manifold pressure or it isn't.

N75s are normally open unless told otherwise, so if your plumbing is good, its either your harness or the ECU n75 solenoid driver.


Title: Re: Boost Problem, no n75 reaction
Post by: kacperoooni on July 03, 2019, 12:00:19 PM
problem seems to be solved, brand new n75 from bosch turned out to be f&cking crap and didn't work from the beginning. After a change for pierburg one everything works as it should.


Title: Re: Boost Problem, no n75 reaction
Post by: nyet on July 03, 2019, 12:21:09 PM
I have never had a bad new n75, and i've probably used at least a dozen on various cars


Title: Re: Boost Problem, no n75 reaction
Post by: IamwhoIam on July 04, 2019, 08:25:27 AM
There's aftermarket N75s being sold nowadays that plain and simple don't work. I've had this 2 weeks ago with an N75 ordered from Tecdoc or something stupid like that, and of course it wasn't an OEM one.


Title: Re: Boost Problem, no n75 reaction
Post by: vwaudiguy on July 05, 2019, 10:15:16 AM
There's aftermarket N75s being sold nowadays that plain and simple don't work. I've had this 2 weeks ago with an N75 ordered from Tecdoc or something stupid like that, and of course it wasn't an OEM one.

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