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Noob Zone => Noob Questions => Topic started by: RSC on July 17, 2019, 08:46:17 AM



Title: Msdk_w question
Post by: RSC on July 17, 2019, 08:46:17 AM
Hi all ,i changed the turbo and maf ,scalled maf ,car run perfect but the msdk_w is lower than mshfm_w , i read the fr and i understand i need to adjust KFMSNWDK to have bigger msdk_w and in case of bad maf car will run ok ! Am i right ? And if someone can make me understand what WDKUGDN Do ! Thank you !


Title: Re: Msdk_w question
Post by: fknbrkn on July 17, 2019, 05:03:07 PM
You should raise WDKUGDN a bit
Wiki covered it


Title: Re: Msdk_w question
Post by: Blazius on July 17, 2019, 06:03:21 PM
If your calculated maf does not match your actual maf, you need to adjust maps in the BGMSZS and BGMSRM modules.


Title: Re: Msdk_w question
Post by: prj on July 18, 2019, 12:08:22 AM
If your calculated maf does not match your actual maf, you need to adjust maps in the BGMSZS and BGMSRM modules.
Bullshit.
BGSRM has nothing to do with it.
100% useless spam answer like always.

Hi all ,i changed the turbo and maf ,scalled maf ,car run perfect but the msdk_w is lower than mshfm_w , i read the fr and i understand i need to adjust KFMSNWDK to have bigger msdk_w and in case of bad maf car will run ok ! Am i right ? And if someone can make me understand what WDKUGDN Do ! Thank you !
You understand wrong. KFMSNWDK and inverse KFWDKMSN are physical maps that define the throttle flow at pr = 1.
There is absolutely nothing to "adjust" here, you use the correct values for the throttle. If you use the original throttle, don't touch it. If you use a different throttle copy the values over from the stock ECU for that throttle.
If your VE is different then what you have to adjust is WDKUGDN only. This defines the point where the throttle does not limit flow anymore.


Title: Re: Msdk_w question
Post by: RSC on July 18, 2019, 03:03:27 AM
Thank you ,i.m a little confused now becouse i thinked MSNWDK is a desired air flow when maf is unplugged or error , yes ,how you said calculated at pr=1 but i thinked ecu will follow this values always indifferent by the boost pressure ! My actual air flow is ~200 example , my msdk_w is around 170-180, if i will raise the WDKUGDN ,the msdk_will increase too ? And if maf problem or unplugged ecu will calculate the air flow by msdk_w and no afr problems at wot ?


Title: Re: Msdk_w question
Post by: prj on July 18, 2019, 08:24:01 AM
Thank you ,i.m a little confused now becouse i thinked MSNWDK is a desired air flow when maf is unplugged or error , yes ,how you said calculated at pr=1 but i thinked ecu will follow this values always indifferent by the boost pressure ! My actual air flow is ~200 example , my msdk_w is around 170-180, if i will raise the WDKUGDN ,the msdk_will increase too ? And if maf problem or unplugged ecu will calculate the air flow by msdk_w and no afr problems at wot ?
Look at FR and learn.
If your throttle is the original one, the only thing you need to touch is WDKUGDN. Once again - KFMSNWDK and KFWDKMSN are not "tuneable" maps. They physically give the flow of the throttle valve at PR 1.9. They are made on a flowbench, because it doesn't matter if it's a flowbench or an engine or whatever else. It's simply how much a physical opening flows.

For a NA engine it is corrected by pu_w / ps_w and for a turbo engine it is corrected by pvdk_w / ps_w.

P.S.
PR 1 in previous post was typo, I forgot the .9.
It's basically what the throttle flows when the pressure before the throttle is 1.9x the pressure behind the throttle. It's a physical constant relating to maximum flow because after that the flow hits the speed of sound and does not increase anymore.


Title: Re: Msdk_w question
Post by: RSC on July 19, 2019, 02:27:58 AM
Oh ,thank you so much ! Now i understand !! Yes ,throttle is original one! Thank you so much !