NefMoto

Is there anyone here who can help me to get diagnostic actual boost limit higher in a MED9?
In a CDL 1K8907115F ecu it is 4000 mbar stock and in AXX, BWA, CEPA etc it is 2550 mbar.
I want to do a CEPA RS3 with bit more boost in openloop and i would like to get this limit higher.
Of course i can just use a boostgauge and call it a day, but i want to know how this works.
There should be a formalnummer & normierwert for each measureblock of something, but can't get it figured out..

In KFMWNTK you can see what data every measureblock will give.
And can't find a lot more than that in damos..

Hope someone can help me in the right direction..

Johan

i think is a limit that can be bypassed only with ida and reverse engineering , i m trying to find it some year ago but not find it .

Actual boost on MED9 will show up to 5120mbar. Will only ever "request" 2550 without ASM changes.

Only on R20 CDL ecu. Rs3 and older 4cil tfsi ecu’s stop at 2550mbar.


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older tfsi engine stop 2550 because only 250kpa map sensor
change 3bar map sensor and not any problem

On what ecu number did you test that?
I've done many AXX's with 3 bar sensor and always stops at 2550 mbar iirc..
Now working on a RS3 CEPA and has 3bar mapsensor stock and stops at 2550 mbar.

1P0907115H   

Really ???? Then no one needs a 5120hack and all of our problems are solved...Be serious and don`t spread misinformation.

To Have proper readings you need to re-scale the map sensor limits.

To have requested more than 2550mbar and correct diagnostic limits you need to properly patch the code + other stuff.

Nonsense.

I think he Installs a 300kpa and adapts fueling then. This will work as long you won´t drive often in the Mountains, I think.


But its also possible adapt other MAP-Sensors correctly, without 5120. I did a lot of FR-Reading for this.
I tested it only on 2x 1,8T and 1x2,7T with ME7 1MB: 300kpa, 350kpa, and 400kpa, all were working fine, fueling tested with wideband.
I think this will be possible on MED9, too, but never tested.

LOL

Of course you can fit any MAP sensor.
But on MED9 your plsol is still limited to 2560 and ps_w calculation goes to shit after 2560 as well.
Doesn't get hard capped but doesn't work right either.

On ME7 pvdk is limited to 2560, you will never see more boost without 5120 mod.

Yes it is limited to 2550, an won´t show more in diagnosis. But its possible to fix load to boost calculation without 5120.
And its possible for all sensor-sizes. But I´ve only tested it on these 3 cars yet.

I actually run 350kpa from Bmw F-Series (cost only 25€) on my own 1,8T.
Fueling is completley fine, even in mountains.

whats your voodoo method then? briefly touch in the topic but dont elaborate? 

It´s no voodoo-method. I found only one value in ps_w calculation which can be changed without being picked up on another place in this calculation. This goes as well for the other calculations
 
I can post logs, there are absolutley no asm-changes, as I´m to stupid for IDA.

But I´m actually unsure if I want to post the solution

I would like to see logs, no need to post how you did it.
Of course you can rescale mapsensor with an offset so it has more requested boost.


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Well then post it my friend, I am sure this forum  gave you a lot of info or help, specially also because you seem to make some claims then you might aswell back them up IMO. If it works great, if it doesnt its still an attempt.

lol, we got a badass in here.

On ME7 pvdk scaling is *10 so is plsol. The parameter physically can not represent a bigger pressure. A single byte variable can go to 255, and that is 2550. There is no "diagnostic limit" in ME7. Same goes for ps_w, at 2550 it's 65535, you're done.
You can make it *20 and rescale stuff so it works correctly.

Or you can fudge the factor/offset of the sensors, to have atmospheric roughly in the same place, but increase the multiplier up top. Then underscale the MAF. Of course there is a LOT of shit that breaks this way, but if you don't go over 15-20% it will work. Except all your logs will show garbage. Same can be applied just fine on MED9. Works with a 3000mbar sensor, any more and you start having other problems.

I think I posted how to do that in like 2013 or 2014 on here.
I'll kindly just remind you, that I was one of the few other people here who made the 5120 mod in the first place, and unlike you I know BGSRM assembly, the fresh air integrator logic, variables and scaling in my sleep. I did that because the "method" you are using is shit and 5120 mod is as factory as you can make it.

I contradict in not a Single word you say.

You can only use a ps_w up to dez 255, this is right. But this 255 is only a number.

You can change everthing matching to the curve of your new LDF, to your new 255.
And you can also change load to boost calculation accordingly.

You won´t even need to change anything in fueling.

Except:
* Your torque calculations go to shit.
* If you screw with KFURL your throttle control and boost target go to shit.
* If you screw with MAF scaling load goes to shit making ignition all wrong, even if you can scale fueling back up with KFLF and not do anything.

And there are other side effects, such as incorrectly calculated torque reserve, idle behavior and so on if things are sufficiently out.

You are presenting this shit like you're some genius with your "solution" when it's just decalibrating things and bodging it to work. Guess what, this has been done for 20 years.
The correct solution is on this very forum - doubling the range of ps_w and others without decalibrating anything.

You literally just described the 5120 fix.

He did not. 5120 halves the resolution of said variables and the multiplications/divisons take care of not affecting anything else outside of the pressure variables.
His approach is just underscaling things.

I'm specifically only referring to his "255 is just a number" observation.

- No, I can even leave torque modell stock.
- No, throttle working perfect, it drives like its from factory
- and No, I didn´t underscale anything. But on Ecus with 8bit load axis you can´t do real timing over 191% load (but I think you know this).
- Yes, boost request on one of these cars did a light weird behavior, in lower regions and I didn´t took time to check. Its actually nevertheless running well.
The main important things for me were: driveability, fueling, and boost control, and they do all what they should

Yes KFURL is one side of this, but there is needed more, I first thought this would be impossible too as I was looking for a solution. I´ve seen some of your posts but not all.
I came to this myself about 4 months ago, this was nothing I´ve read here. Until now it works. But I´m of course still looking for side effects.

By definition if you are avoiding the 255 limit you are underscaling w/o the 5120 hack, and you are doing it via KFURL

16bit load axis is another (fairly) simple fix.

Yeah of course you're scaling KFURL, then boost request is wrong and throttle control is wrong.
No, it does not "drive like factory", you don't have any clue what you are talking about.
Besides load and pressure in ME7 there is also flow, and this is all screwed up now.

For me is underscaling using a bigger maf without adjusting MAF-Curve.

I use ori MAF-Curve. And I don´t need to adjust anything in fueling neither.

And when I say throttle is working perfect, then it does.

Doesn't really matter what you think. Underscaling load via KFURL is still underscaling.


What you "say" is clearly not authoritative.