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Title: Manually patching NLS/LC
Post by: Sandstorm3k on April 17, 2020, 10:49:23 AM
So i've had some succes recently with my first flash and i am pretty happy with it. It has a soft limiter and some nice pops and bangs. Now i am interested in the hard limiter and NLS, but i have a few uncertainties regarding this. I don't want to use the script but rather patch it myself.

http://www.nefariousmotorsports.com/wiki/index.php/Adding_anti-lag_launch_control_and_no-lift_shift
I've come across this little guide but it doesn't quite answer my questions. Is it really as simple as just setting all these variables? and regarding the XDF i am using, i am not 100% sure if the values add up and i can't find a proper example. Maybe someone could link one too me it would help me very very much.

IgnitionCutDuration seems weird, and i am not quite sure about the Antilag Call Function and Antilag Function. The other data does seem to be alright. But i'd really like some confirmation if possible

According to the guide it seems "Antilag Call Function" should contain: F3 F8 F3 8A but it has different data, and i suppose step 5 should be put into the "Antilag Function" table? But i'm not sure how to put it there.

If anyone could point me in the right direction or perhaps link me with a little more detailed guide it would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance for your time.

(I am using 032DR XDF for 032DE tune, but it seems to be really accurate perhaps even 100% accurate)


Title: Re: Manually patching NLS/LC
Post by: dal on April 17, 2020, 11:12:26 AM
On that guide, its written this:

"These steps outline adding anti-lag and no-lift shift for an M-box ECU"

Its only valid for an 2.7T M-box ECU. Your is different.


Title: Re: Manually patching NLS/LC
Post by: nyet on April 17, 2020, 11:13:38 AM
Are you going to be writing your own ASM?

You did see step 5 right?


Title: Re: Manually patching NLS/LC
Post by: Sandstorm3k on April 17, 2020, 11:30:05 AM
On that guide, its written this:

"These steps outline adding anti-lag and no-lift shift for an M-box ECU"

Its only valid for an 2.7T M-box ECU. Your is different.

Ah i see now, i figured M-box probably meant ME7.5 too, i misunderstood thanks for clarifying. Also thought most posts applied for ME7.5. But apparantly not.


Title: Re: Manually patching NLS/LC
Post by: Sandstorm3k on April 17, 2020, 11:34:17 AM
Are you going to be writing your own ASM?

You did see step 5 right?

I have seen it, but i figured it might've been as easy as just copying it over.. my honest misunderstanding too. Isn't there a similar option for what i'm looking for made for the ME7.5 platform?

I'm happy with my tune as is, but i'd like these functions too and i know it can be done. For know i just have no clue how. Do you perhaps know or have a link to such info on the ME7.5?


Title: Re: Manually patching NLS/LC
Post by: dal on April 17, 2020, 12:04:26 PM
This can help you understand more: https://mega.nz/file/YsdiTABY#eBx9KAmC92zdzLKdS9PYKgO-4CbB37SoDbodMMJcC_k


Title: Re: Manually patching NLS/LC
Post by: nyet on April 17, 2020, 02:02:06 PM
I have seen it, but i figured it might've been as easy as just copying it over.. my honest misunderstanding too. Isn't there a similar option for what i'm looking for made for the ME7.5 platform?

I'm happy with my tune as is, but i'd like these functions too and i know it can be done. For know i just have no clue how. Do you perhaps know or have a link to such info on the ME7.5?

You're way off the mark here.

If you don't know how to code ASM you aren't going to get anywhere, no matter how much me7.5 information you get.


Title: Re: Manually patching NLS/LC
Post by: nyet on April 17, 2020, 02:05:09 PM
This can help you understand more: https://mega.nz/file/YsdiTABY#eBx9KAmC92zdzLKdS9PYKgO-4CbB37SoDbodMMJcC_k

Its astonishing how few people can't figure out how to self host :(

http://files.s4wiki.com/docs/ME7.x_LC_NLS_rev003.pdf

In the 90's the internet engineers envisioned a complete peer to peer network, where every home computer was also a server.

LOL


Title: Re: Manually patching NLS/LC
Post by: Sandstorm3k on April 17, 2020, 02:31:15 PM
Ty for the link!

I've read through the piece, I should be able to get this to work. This was just what i needed so both thanks for that! I'll get to work on it this week and hopefully get it running on the car, not yet sure if i'm gonna use it after testing since my 1.8T is running stock internals and i don't quite know if it is all that safe for the engine to use. I have a pretty fresh K03s, downpipe and milltek exhaust so that part of the equation should be fine.

I've got some programming experience so shouldn't be too much of a problem. I suppose the XDF i am using has these variables in there because the maker of the file used these locations for his variables? I guess i can easily change these to the locations i'll be using for my variables and have easy access to them.

One last question, is it true this should be kept to built engines? Or will a stock engine be fine with it if you don't abuse it too much, i have been looking into getting the engine built but im not quite sure if i should after all its a lot of money still. Im not looking for huge HP figures 260 is plenty for now. Perhaps if my turbo fails i'll replace it with a BAM manifold + turbo which should be good for around 280-300hp. I guess my question is if the functions are really hard on the engine or is it just the turbo getting all the punishment?

Anyhow, many thanks for the replies!



Title: Re: Manually patching NLS/LC
Post by: nyet on April 17, 2020, 03:56:05 PM
LC/NLS (if done correctly) isn't hard on motors as much as it is hard on turbos, clutches, exhaust manifolds, and cats.


Title: Re: Manually patching NLS/LC
Post by: dal on April 17, 2020, 03:57:32 PM
Its astonishing how few people can't figure out how to self host :(

http://files.s4wiki.com/docs/ME7.x_LC_NLS_rev003.pdf

In the 90's the internet engineers envisioned a complete peer to peer network, where every home computer was also a server.

LOL


http://asthamed.com.br/ME7.x_LC_NLS_rev003.pdf
https://bbttransportes.com.br/ME7.x_LC_NLS_rev003.pdf
http://cvxseguros.com.br/ME7.x_LC_NLS_rev003.pdf
http://juninautosom.com.br/ME7.x_LC_NLS_rev003.pdf
http://www.paxdomini.com.br/ME7.x_LC_NLS_rev003.pdf

Do you want more? I can provide.  :D


Title: Re: Manually patching NLS/LC
Post by: nyet on April 17, 2020, 04:01:03 PM

Do you want more? I can provide.  :D


ha. well done


Title: Re: Manually patching NLS/LC
Post by: IamwhoIam on April 18, 2020, 03:39:47 AM
LC/NLS (if done correctly) isn't hard on motors as much as it is hard on turbos, clutches, exhaust manifolds, and cats.

except on the 1.8T banana rods ;)


Title: Re: Manually patching NLS/LC
Post by: Sandstorm3k on April 18, 2020, 05:25:48 AM
That's what i thought aswell, that the weakest part of the engine are the rods. I think a hard LC would be much harder on the drivetrain  as opposed to NLS.

I don't plan on using nls/lc daily nor do i drive my car on the limit everyday. Perhaps ill use it a handful of times a month, i think its just cool to have it. And having "coded" it in myself. Got plenty of time now anyways so might aswell.

Turbo failing would suck but I'd probably replace it with a K04 023 or perhaps even K04 064. As long as it isn't so hard on the engine itself that's all i really want to know.

Will launch control be hard on the engine when not actually launching it? Also, are there perhaps any stories or threads on people that have ruined their motors by abusing LC and perhaps even NLS

Anyway, all thanks for the information again!


Title: Re: Manually patching NLS/LC
Post by: nyet on April 18, 2020, 09:16:06 AM
except on the 1.8T banana rods ;)

heh i keep forgetting about this


Title: Re: Manually patching NLS/LC
Post by: Sandstorm3k on April 18, 2020, 03:04:30 PM
except on the 1.8T banana rods ;)

Good point anyways, i'll look into upgrading these this summer as it appears to be a solid upgrade and not breaking the bank. Not looking for big power just for decent reliability.

Thanks!