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Title: 2012 Audi TTRS - How to go about using two ECU's (One stock, one flashed)
Post by: uberkidnappedmywife on December 08, 2021, 10:28:38 AM
Good morning,

I am very new but very interested in the culture. I have a 2012 TTRS with a Stage 1 APR tune.

Every two years I have to send the ECU out to APR, have them flash it to stock, re-install it and pass smog, take it out and send it back to APR, and have them flash it back to Stage 1.

I want to get a second ECU that I can leave stock so when SMOG time comes I can simply swap my ECU's, pass smog, and swap it back in.

I heard the immobilizer is the main issue when it comes to this. I have a pretty basic knowledge of programming but would love to advance as much as possible.

Can I clone my current ECU or code the immobilizer to make this work?

Really appreciate any responses.


Title: Re: 2012 Audi TTRS - How to go about using two ECU's (One stock, one flashed)
Post by: elektronik13 on December 08, 2021, 12:18:16 PM
Good morning,

I am very new but very interested in the culture. I have a 2012 TTRS with a Stage 1 APR tune.

Every two years I have to send the ECU out to APR, have them flash it to stock, re-install it and pass smog, take it out and send it back to APR, and have them flash it back to Stage 1.

I want to get a second ECU that I can leave stock so when SMOG time comes I can simply swap my ECU's, pass smog, and swap it back in.

I heard the immobilizer is the main issue when it comes to this. I have a pretty basic knowledge of programming but would love to advance as much as possible.

Can I clone my current ECU or code the immobilizer to make this work?

Really appreciate any responses.
if you do a full clon of the ECU, you will have two identical ones, so it must also work


Title: Re: 2012 Audi TTRS - How to go about using two ECU's (One stock, one flashed)
Post by: uberkidnappedmywife on December 08, 2021, 12:31:57 PM
if you do a full clon of the ECU, you will have two identical ones, so it must also work

Thank you for your reply! Any guides or information I can find on how to clone an ECU? Will this cause any problems with the immobilizer or will it see it as the same ECU?

Thanks again


Title: Re: 2012 Audi TTRS - How to go about using two ECU's (One stock, one flashed)
Post by: Audiquattro44 on December 08, 2021, 10:59:14 PM

with which device do you want the clones? Or what devices do you have?
If it was copied correctly, there are no problems


Title: Re: 2012 Audi TTRS - How to go about using two ECU's (One stock, one flashed)
Post by: overspeed on December 09, 2021, 05:57:24 AM


You shall use a immo-off solution in this case


Title: Re: 2012 Audi TTRS - How to go about using two ECU's (One stock, one flashed)
Post by: prj on December 09, 2021, 07:05:42 AM

You shall use a immo-off solution in this case

There is zero need for that on MED9, it can be fully cloned.


Title: Re: 2012 Audi TTRS - How to go about using two ECU's (One stock, one flashed)
Post by: uberkidnappedmywife on December 10, 2021, 10:10:07 AM
with which device do you want the clones? Or what devices do you have?
If it was copied correctly, there are no problems

I have quite a few tools & devices I can get my hands, I just need a little help through the process.

This is all pretty fresh to me so if there are any noob/beginner guides I would be extremely grateful.


Title: Re: 2012 Audi TTRS - How to go about using two ECU's (One stock, one flashed)
Post by: prj on December 10, 2021, 11:04:07 AM
I have quite a few tools & devices I can get my hands, I just need a little help through the process.

This is all pretty fresh to me so if there are any noob/beginner guides I would be extremely grateful.
If you have a proper tool it's as simple as connecting a few cables (found in the tools manual) and pressing two buttons.
So again, which tool? Don't dodge questions.


Title: Re: 2012 Audi TTRS - How to go about using two ECU's (One stock, one flashed)
Post by: _nameless on December 10, 2021, 01:10:08 PM
I have quite a few tools & devices I can get my hands, I just need a little help through the process.

This is all pretty fresh to me so if there are any noob/beginner guides I would be extremely grateful.
So its a secret? You want help, wont tell what tools you have (probably cuz they are all clones) LOL.


Title: Re: 2012 Audi TTRS - How to go about using two ECU's (One stock, one flashed)
Post by: overspeed on December 10, 2021, 07:23:51 PM
There is zero need for that on MED9, it can be fully cloned.

Saw some guys having problens cloning  ECUs with Revo/APR in those ECUs...



Title: Re: 2012 Audi TTRS - How to go about using two ECU's (One stock, one flashed)
Post by: prj on December 11, 2021, 04:26:06 AM
Saw some guys having problens cloning  ECUs with Revo/APR in those ECUs...
Maybe because they tried to "clone" it from one car to another.
As long as it's the same car and all memories get copied there is nothing unique on MPC5xx family.


Title: Re: 2012 Audi TTRS - How to go about using two ECU's (One stock, one flashed)
Post by: uberkidnappedmywife on December 13, 2021, 09:15:17 AM
So its a secret? You want help, wont tell what tools you have (probably cuz they are all clones) LOL.

I said tools in a more broader sense because I am not super familiar with what tools I need but from what I read I need a OBD-2 to USB cord and I have a genuine Ross-Tech.

Not sure if this information is relevant or useful but I am just trying to learn how to clone ECU's.


Title: Re: 2012 Audi TTRS - How to go about using two ECU's (One stock, one flashed)
Post by: prj on December 13, 2021, 10:29:52 AM
I said tools in a more broader sense because I am not super familiar with what tools I need but from what I read I need a OBD-2 to USB cord and I have a genuine Ross-Tech.
So you don't have any tools.
Cheapest tool that will do it, is PCMFlash with Module 77. Around 1k after you buy everything needed.
Next in line is probably Trasdata and then the others, but we're talking 3-5k here.

Not sure WTF you were reading. Your VCDS cable is also irrelevant in this case.


Title: Re: 2012 Audi TTRS - How to go about using two ECU's (One stock, one flashed)
Post by: cherry on December 13, 2021, 10:50:05 AM
Benchmode will not work maybe in 2012 MED9.1.2, so cheapest 100% working solution is some BDM Tool. Anyway why not just send spare ecu to APR and ask too clone the ecu?


Title: Re: 2012 Audi TTRS - How to go about using two ECU's (One stock, one flashed)
Post by: prj on December 13, 2021, 11:03:24 AM
Benchmode will not work maybe in 2012 MED9.1.2
What are you basing that on? Of course it will work. On anything up to mid-2020, after which the SBOOT bug got patched that everyone was exploiting.


Title: Re: 2012 Audi TTRS - How to go about using two ECU's (One stock, one flashed)
Post by: cherry on December 13, 2021, 12:01:42 PM
Not sure for these 2.5tfsi, but newer MED9.1.2 from R8 are for sure not possible anymore. I had such version from MY2015 for sure.


Title: Re: 2012 Audi TTRS - How to go about using two ECU's (One stock, one flashed)
Post by: prj on December 13, 2021, 12:19:48 PM
Not sure for these 2.5tfsi, but newer MED9.1.2 from R8 are for sure not possible anymore. I had such version from MY2015 for sure.
Which tool did you use exactly? I think problem lies there.


Title: Re: 2012 Audi TTRS - How to go about using two ECU's (One stock, one flashed)
Post by: _nameless on December 13, 2021, 12:24:52 PM
This thread is fucking retarded. OP has no tools to do the job, nor have a clue how to do so.  Its a simple bdm job (with proper tools) END OF STORY!


Title: Re: 2012 Audi TTRS - How to go about using two ECU's (One stock, one flashed)
Post by: prj on December 13, 2021, 12:25:52 PM
With proper tools it's a simple non-open ECU job.
But yeah OP doesn't have those nor will have those, so thread is retarded :D


Title: Re: 2012 Audi TTRS - How to go about using two ECU's (One stock, one flashed)
Post by: cherry on December 13, 2021, 12:33:09 PM
Bflash and BST, did not try Ktag or Autotuner, but i assume same result. I think you maybe was never faced to such ecu because you did them OBD. See screenshot. Anyway there are bench locked MED9.1.2, if you do not believe me ask bflash support which ecu or from which cars affected...



Title: Re: 2012 Audi TTRS - How to go about using two ECU's (One stock, one flashed)
Post by: prj on December 13, 2021, 12:58:03 PM
It's not "bench locked". But most likely needs different exploit.
Bosch did not patch the full RCE SBOOT exploit until middle of 2020. If it exists in MED17 there is a very high probability it also exists in MED9.1.2.
But hey, I don't make flash tools...