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Noob Zone => Noob Questions => Topic started by: krashot on April 15, 2022, 03:59:11 AM



Title: Melted a piston
Post by: krashot on April 15, 2022, 03:59:11 AM
Hi guys,
Friend of mine recently melted a piston and spark plug broke inside cylinder 2.

A4 B5 1.8T T3 T4 Hybrid, Forged Rods, 3" downpipe, External Wastegate..

He is furious (obviously) and he is blaming the map someone did for him. Are you able to check if this can happen by the map attached?
I am really curious and looking for expert opinion on this as I don't think this can happen from the map below attached...

If it's not needed of such post please delete...

Thanks


Title: Re: Melted a piston
Post by: Norwegian1.8T on April 15, 2022, 04:36:25 AM
Firstly, allways post an defenition file and also for the love of god tell us what ECU it is!
I checked it with ME7check and found an not so well defined xdf.
The ECU is an 4B0906018CG 0002 if anyone needs it...

First thoughts is that the ignition timing is somewhat agressive and that IOP hasent scaled its x axis propperly. I cant see the fueling table so god knows.

But its impossible to say if its the tunes fault without an datalogs.

Anyways you should have cheked out the datalogs yourself before you go full balls to the walls and melt a piston


Title: Re: Melted a piston
Post by: BlackT on April 15, 2022, 05:42:51 AM
What is T3 T4 Hybrid?


Title: Re: Melted a piston
Post by: _nameless on April 15, 2022, 05:42:54 AM
Hi guys,
Friend of mine recently melted a piston and spark plug broke inside cylinder 2.

A4 B5 1.8T T3 T4 Hybrid, Forged Rods, 3" downpipe, External Wastegate..

He is furious (obviously) and he is blaming the map someone did for him. Are you able to check if this can happen by the map attached?
I am really curious and looking for expert opinion on this as I don't think this can happen from the map below attached...

If it's not needed of such post please delete...

Thanks

Probably china injectors


Title: Re: Melted a piston
Post by: krashot on April 15, 2022, 06:38:27 AM
630cc dekas injectors....I've been told.

This is what his tuner sent him regarding the AFR..


Title: Re: Melted a piston
Post by: _nameless on April 15, 2022, 06:49:19 AM
What is T3 T4 Hybrid?
Uneducated name for a T04E Normally a 50 trim with a .63 backside housing. Its just the normal $100 ebay junk.


Title: Re: Melted a piston
Post by: _nameless on April 15, 2022, 06:53:45 AM
630cc dekas injectors....I've been told.

This is what his tuner sent him regarding the AFR..

Nifty a pointless screen shot.  Requested lambda based off pedal percentage, means nothing if it wasn't verified in logs. If the rest of the engine looked fine when the head was pulled then clearly it was a isolated incident. Broken injector wire, shit china clone injectors, plugged filter basket / injector etc. END OF STORY.     


Title: Re: Melted a piston
Post by: _nameless on April 15, 2022, 07:06:35 AM
File is garbage too, if you want a lol take a look at max specified load  :D :D :D. Bts fueling is stock, timing is just a %% increase 20* max advance at full throttle LOL.


Title: Re: Melted a piston
Post by: fknbrkn on April 15, 2022, 12:53:40 PM
Lol
If its running with stock CR id say no surprise its melted


Title: Re: Melted a piston
Post by: krashot on April 19, 2022, 03:17:17 AM
Nifty a pointless screen shot.  Requested lambda based off pedal percentage, means nothing if it wasn't verified in logs. If the rest of the engine looked fine when the head was pulled then clearly it was a isolated incident. Broken injector wire, shit china clone injectors, plugged filter basket / injector etc. END OF STORY.     

Everything else was fine. Only second cylinder damaged


Title: Re: Melted a piston
Post by: adam- on April 19, 2022, 04:27:08 AM
Pitting on any other piston?


Title: Re: Melted a piston
Post by: tadope on April 28, 2022, 11:11:29 AM

First thoughts is that the ignition timing is somewhat agressive and that IOP hasent scaled its x axis propperly.

isn't that a big deal?
if IOP is not done properly then that would turn off some very important safety feature.

if I recall correctly, IOP helps torque monitoring, and will pull timing(or is it fuel?) when things get dangerous.

I've definitely seen it in action. And I can imagine that the timing pull is there to keep your pistons from melting!

FYI i'm no expert here but this is my best guess


Title: Re: Melted a piston
Post by: prj on April 28, 2022, 11:25:35 AM
isn't that a big deal?
if IOP is not done properly then that would turn off some very important safety feature.

if I recall correctly, IOP helps torque monitoring, and will pull timing(or is it fuel?) when things get dangerous.

I've definitely seen it in action. And I can imagine that the timing pull is there to keep your pistons from melting!

FYI i'm no expert here but this is my best guess
What a load of BS.


Title: Re: Melted a piston
Post by: tadope on April 28, 2022, 12:33:36 PM
What a load of BS.

hey I said I was just guessing jeeez!
can you explain/clarify for the sake of learning??


Title: Re: Melted a piston
Post by: _nameless on April 28, 2022, 01:32:48 PM
isn't that a big deal?
if IOP is not done properly then that would turn off some very important safety feature.

if I recall correctly, IOP helps torque monitoring, and will pull timing(or is it fuel?) when things get dangerous.

I've definitely seen it in action. And I can imagine that the timing pull is there to keep your pistons from melting!

FYI i'm no expert here but this is my best guess
Cool story....


Title: Re: Melted a piston
Post by: Geomeo on April 28, 2022, 04:03:33 PM
I melted a piston once, but it was my head gasket that was blown.  There were a LOT of signs before it happened.  I had a demanding job and couldn’t get the time to fix it.  And being too cheap didn’t help.  Can’t imagine what you or your buddy’s car was running like before y’all melted a piston.  I would’ve thought there would’ve been signs.  Oh you’ll probably find the head is also melted.  You should upload some pics so we can all go wow. 


Title: Re: Melted a piston
Post by: Twisted vr6 on May 01, 2022, 07:56:29 PM
Hi guys,
Friend of mine recently melted a piston and spark plug broke inside cylinder 2.

A4 B5 1.8T T3 T4 Hybrid, Forged Rods, 3" downpipe, External Wastegate..

He is furious (obviously) and he is blaming the map someone did for him. Are you able to check if this can happen by the map attached?
I am really curious and looking for expert opinion on this as I don't think this can happen from the map below attached...

If it's not needed of such post please delete...

Thanks

you want an expert opinion, a tune alone will not melt a spark plug, when you tune you should use different spark plugs as the have different heat ranges, you would want to stay away from iridium plugs pending the type of tune, me myself im not used to flashing, im old school from carbs to soldering sockets to ecu boards and even when running carbs we used different plugs with different  heat ranges, if your tuned and you run to hot of a plug yes you will destroy your piston/s.


Title: Re: Melted a piston
Post by: R32Dude on May 02, 2022, 02:40:11 AM
This is all I got, hope it helps