NefMoto

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A tool from scratch is in the works, but will take a long time.
was hoping the "tool" that was being shared behind closed doors be brought to life in the interim.

Is there any chance ME7 volvo support can be added to the Nef flasher?

I don't mean to be overly offensive as more source available is usually better, but what on Earth is going on here?

This is just a poorly decompiled and recompiled copy of Dream3r (right? I don't know the Volvo lore) ECM-TECH Suite, with the licensing and encryption bits removed and GPL applied to it? Did you get permission to GPL this?

The GitHub is missing a lot of the source files, like where is the ECUProgrammer class?

I think it would be a bit rough to add to the Nef flasher as it looks like it uses CAN over J2534 instead of serial, so a large swath would need to be added to the Nef codebase.

i was waiting for a question like this...and truth be idk how to answer this.
it is old source of from dream3r's project yes...
the source of this came from someone really close to him with legality and all. not gonna put personal info out there.
i was told by the source to put it out there, open the scene

the license to my understanding is there to prevent anyone from selling it for profit etc....

i understand the borderline legality here...

listen... these cars that we're tuning with this are... 10..15+ years old now and all we have are scam artist tuners or overpriced box tunes.
its about time the scene allows more people in that weren't in the "know" 6+ years ago to join in now.

i've read this volvo forum from page 1 .. reading his old posts... he was definitely more open to sharing his tools like this then his "business" partner that took it over.
in the end... its a tool that works. if i did that license thing wrong.... lmk ill correct..

as far as the programming... idk. i have not a clue, i just obtained the source code and a good friend put it together and removed all the broken commands etc...

i'd love that.

what do you need?

I fucking DETEST proprietary abandonware.

This is exactly why; you *still* have the problem of freeloaders. You just now make it impossible for non-freeloaders to do anything of use.

Pure fucking garbage.

Ya just at first glance this is definitely not going to integrate at all with the nef flasher.

lets just keep to the tuning talk

The whole thing is a clusterfuck, there's binary files, pdb's etc committed to the github.
And also as this is, I am pretty sure it can be DMCA'd and you won't have a leg to stand on.

i'm pretty sure selling emission defeating / altering tunes is not something the EPA is favorable of atm either.

but i digress.

i am not a lawyer

not here to attack anyone anymore.

just wanna get more self tuners out there on these 15+ year old cars.

Every time it's pointed out to you, that what you are doing is against copyright law, you never challenge this, but instead redirect it somewhere else.
I'm gonna say it again, it takes 1 e-mail from anyone involved with that source and it will be taken down.
Don't dodge the fact.
Until it's that way, there's zero point to do anything with this heap of junk.

Many of you new Volvo guys on here seem to have a really big mouth, but this big mouth comes with zero ability or logical thinking behind it.
Eat some humble pie ffs.

If someone else writes software and you distribute it without the explicit permission of each person who contributed to it, you can be sued.
It is completely irrelevant to the matter what this software does or that it can be used for legal or illegal purposes.
It's basic copyright. So be really careful fucking with people, and be even more careful if those people have more money than you, because the end result is often that those with more money will have even more, and you will end up with nothing.

I have zero interest in this shit, I don't do anything Volvo related.

In this specific case, it's not like Dream3r is still around to sue anyone, poor sod killed himself while logging his B8 S4 a few years ago already. and I never got any work out of him for the IDAPro license I purchased for him LOL

As I understand it's not just his code in there.
Hence me saying "permission from each person that contributed".

Open source tools are cool.. but yeah taking a software and removing licensing from it does not make it open source. Grey zone stuff.

However.

I dont know volvos but am I missing something obvious here but doesn't MPPS have volvo me7 support for one ? In 'certain' places it costs a fraction of a DICE cable or even a plain old cable that works with this costs around the same , sooo like what exactly is the issue with the Volvo platform or worst case scenario bdm.

But yes if it can do OBD read cool but yah.

This project has been ripped off from Robert Hilton not Dream3r. The author has been very clear about his intentions in the Volvo me7 forum.

A lawyer is already in the process of writing a case against all involved.

Open source requires not only an actual open source licensing policy, but also

* permission from each author
* some sort of provable clean room assurance
* a bunch of other stuff i shouldn't have to even write out

This project is not remotely any of the above

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/nefarious

I don't really get it either. When it comes to just "I need to flash a Volvo," it's supported in most if not all of the usual crappy clone tools that people use to flash MED9 and MED17 all the time.

And when it comes to open source I almost feel that it would be easier to just write a flasher from scratch than to faff around with decompiling other people's "protections" - it's not like there is some complex exploit here or something particularly interesting, it's just a weird CAN protocol called "Volcano" with a few simple commands. It doesn't even look like most of these people even wrote their own SBL, they mostly just seem to have dumped the OEM one I think?

The protocol is even documented in an academic paper published by Robert Hilton himself (which also isn't that interesting, it's just a CAN dump of the factory tool), https://hiltontuning.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/VolcanoResearchPaperWeb.pdf .

If this site intends to survive it can't do blatantly stupid things, nor put up or encourage blatantly stupid behavior.

Who in their right mind would want to drive a Volvo anyway?  It's a hairdressers car!!  Drive a real MANS car!  If I want to get a perm then sure I'd drive a Volvo, but until then no way to your Shampoo holder.....

The big question here is.  Is there any chance this website would be shut down for hosting this fiasco?  Because if there is then might want to pull the software off.  I like this website.  Not only is it informative, but the whole theme of "if you are lazy and stupid we are not going to hold anything back" is well worth while!

Ouch this stung a little. Sometimes it's fun to play with protections for no financial gain at all.

hit up your boi Steven Phillips then...

I'm just a fucking highschool kid that just wanted a look from the inside out.

seen how corrupt it was and shook the tree...
tried to anyway.

there's nothing protecting this from leaks and or changes.

Congratulations you know who had helped build my tools.  Again my tool doesn’t resemble you or vollmers claims. I didn’t know New Jersey holds high school into your early 30s.

I have zero case against you or desire to. Just relaying information Alex.

There’s methods to change the world… but announcing your approach everywhere isn’t the right way.

that's my friend I see at local meets.
we just talk cars
I don't have a personal FB
he just copy pasted what I sent him.
I just received the code from someone that saw my struggle and gave me a bone.
I just know enough from my VB class to move things around and compile it.
I never wanted bad blood either
but it is what it is

Tbh you might learn a pretty expensive lesson soon.
And that "oh i'm just a kid" and "oh but they're doing this or that" shit isn't gonna fly.

Maybe you'll learn to take some responsibility for your actions after that like an adult.
Best case it'll get DMCA'd worst case you'll get sued.

I know that was a lie Alex. I’ve put ends together when you and vollmer tried to mock my messages to you. Everything leads to you. Your turbo, your bio, pictures you’ve posted, and files you’ve added here blatantly explains the person behind this. You don’t have to lie to yourself

i have taken down all links and asked an admin to remove the attachments from all the posts if possible ( can we not do that? never seen an option )
I sent a few emails out. so we'll see