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Noob Zone => Noob Questions => Topic started by: BlackT on February 24, 2023, 01:20:40 PM



Title: ME7 on cable throttle? Possible?
Post by: BlackT on February 24, 2023, 01:20:40 PM
I really love this ECUs, so I want to put it in my project cars.
My biggest issue is TB, TB is standard on cable with TPS

I can use TPS like pedal position sensor, for torque demand

I will put progress here, if anyone have some idea fell free to write.


Title: Re: ME7 on cable throttle? Possible?
Post by: prj on February 24, 2023, 01:42:16 PM
There is no reason to use cable throttle, even with a standalone ECU.
It's a better idea to use a standalone in the first place though for a project car.


Title: Re: ME7 on cable throttle? Possible?
Post by: BlackT on February 24, 2023, 01:58:04 PM
I know but I like ME7, and want to learn more, my daily have ME7 but I use it every second and don't have time and will to work on it. So I need some car to try new things on ME7

I could also put electric TB, but for now I will try without it


Title: Re: ME7 on cable throttle? Possible?
Post by: prj on February 24, 2023, 02:11:47 PM
It's not going to work at all. And there is nothing to try, because by the time you chop off enough shit in ASM to make it work, you're not going to have torque model or anything else.
Forget it.


Title: Re: ME7 on cable throttle? Possible?
Post by: BlackT on February 24, 2023, 02:16:41 PM
And what about use Throtle pedal position and TPS, only put resistor for TB motor?

Make KFPED 1:1 and other things that ECU will not make DTC if want to close TB


Title: Re: ME7 on cable throttle? Possible?
Post by: lgtmelo on February 24, 2023, 06:56:11 PM
u can always leave the wired tb hanging somewhere in the engine bay, just so the car thinks its still in use, and keep ur cable one in use.


Title: Re: ME7 on cable throttle? Possible?
Post by: nyet on February 24, 2023, 07:10:23 PM
u can always leave the wired tb hanging somewhere in the engine bay, just so the car thinks its still in use, and keep ur cable one in use.

that is'nt going to work.


Title: Re: ME7 on cable throttle? Possible?
Post by: BlackT on February 25, 2023, 12:22:32 AM
After good sleep, prj is right. There is zero reason to not use Electric TB

Idle would be pain in ass, transistion near WG crank pressure and so on and so on


Title: Re: ME7 on cable throttle? Possible?
Post by: _nameless on February 25, 2023, 06:56:28 AM
After good sleep, prj is right. There is zero reason to not use Electric TB

Idle would be pain in ass, transistion near WG crank pressure and so on and so on
Yeah went down that road 12-15 years  ago. Worked like shit, waste of time.


Title: Re: ME7 on cable throttle? Possible?
Post by: Blazius on February 25, 2023, 10:01:43 AM
Besides if you wanna do this you can with cwmdapp but it will not be better than OEM obviously.

You can also keep torque control selectively but some elements will be disabled.
There is also a map to make the pedal 1:1 to opening or whatever ratio you want. Did this back in the day when I turbo'd NA on original ecu.


Title: Re: ME7 on cable throttle? Possible?
Post by: BlackT on February 25, 2023, 12:03:50 PM
I have run into probles with ignition firing order.
I run without CMP but for some reason I didn't get it running on all cylinders.
I know that 4 cil ECU without CMP won't start first time, i must turn off ignition and start again

But V6 start every time without CMP does this ECU go in batch fuel and waste spark or?

Edit: I checked with osciloscope and it does not work on waste spark, strange beacuse it start same with and without CMP


Title: Re: ME7 on cable throttle? Possible?
Post by: BlackT on February 26, 2023, 02:37:58 PM
Besides if you wanna do this you can with cwmdapp but it will not be better than OEM obviously.

You can also keep torque control selectively but some elements will be disabled.
There is also a map to make the pedal 1:1 to opening or whatever ratio you want. Did this back in the day when I turbo'd NA on original ecu.
cwmdapp is only for fixed WGDC? Or have something with TB?


Title: Re: ME7 on cable throttle? Possible?
Post by: Blazius on February 26, 2023, 02:49:58 PM
cwmdapp is only for fixed WGDC? Or have something with TB?
CWMDAPP contains multiple bits/switches for the configuration phase not just static wg, but static timing, static TB %, or TB % from a map based on pedal etc.
Like I said you can disable the torque based throttle control and have the TB open by a map which you can set to any rate you want.
You can also keep or disable timing intervention.

Set B_FPWDKAP to 1, and the map is called FPWDKAPP, you can set it 1:1 if you want. It will be weird but if you want to test it you can.


Title: Re: ME7 on cable throttle? Possible?
Post by: BlackT on February 26, 2023, 03:26:41 PM
Thank you that schould help me a lot for this first phase to get engine running

B_zwappl for fixed ignition?


Title: Re: ME7 on cable throttle? Possible?
Post by: Blazius on February 26, 2023, 04:11:21 PM

B_zwappl for fixed ignition?

Yes, but be aware that you are likely going to hit torque montoring 2 with this unless you disable it completely.


You can effectively strip ME7 back to nothing but running it 24/7 like that loses meaning, thats why these functions were intended during the development/calibration phase.


Title: Re: ME7 on cable throttle? Possible?
Post by: prj on February 26, 2023, 04:32:56 PM
Thank you that schould help me a lot for this first phase to get engine running

B_zwappl for fixed ignition?

Sir, you are retarded. There will be zero idle control.
Did you think about that? Stop now.


Title: Re: ME7 on cable throttle? Possible?
Post by: BlackT on February 26, 2023, 05:00:18 PM
Sir, you are retarded. There will be zero idle control.
Did you think about that? Stop now.
For first start I don't care about idle control, of coruse I will not keep that state forever after I get engine running right.
For this first phase I need fixed ignition.

For now I will make ECU simple as it can be, than turn on thing by thing to revert it back as it work in OEM cars

That is my aproach when I build something, start with simple than toward complicate things



Title: Re: ME7 on cable throttle? Possible?
Post by: _nameless on February 26, 2023, 05:26:51 PM
For first start I don't care about idle control, of coruse I will not keep that state forever after I get engine running right.
For this first phase I need fixed ignition.

For now I will make ECU simple as it can be, than turn on thing by thing to revert it back as it work in OEM cars

That is my aproach when I build something, start with simple than toward complicate things


Wouldn't you think fitting the correct throttle body and pedal would be the "simplest" way to do the conversation? Because to me it sure would be. I mean mounting a pedal and running 6 wires into the cab  is nothing in comparison to what you "think" is simple.


Title: Re: ME7 on cable throttle? Possible?
Post by: BlackT on February 26, 2023, 05:33:40 PM
Wouldn't you think fitting the correct throttle body and pedal would be the "simplest" way to do the conversation? Because to me it sure would be. I mean mounting a pedal and running 6 wires into the cab  is nothing in comparison to what you "think" is simple.
I fitted electric TB and pedal on car it is not topic about that.
But I fucked something with trigger wheel and firing order. So I need static ignition to fix that


Title: Re: ME7 on cable throttle? Possible?
Post by: BlackT on December 18, 2023, 11:54:25 PM
I played with this to convert ME7 to M7, this is yust curiosity to keep my ASM skils alive.
One thing I can't overcome, without TB i have fuel cut at around 1800 rpm.
This is safety future, but I can't trace it. Me7 logger still show that injectors are active, but they get cut around 1800 rpm
I am awere that no one have ever try this, but maybe someone has accidently came across maps or program that is have something about emergency fuel cut


Title: Re: ME7 on cable throttle? Possible?
Post by: Spen Holder on January 04, 2024, 01:27:23 AM
I played with this to convert ME7 to M7, this is yust curiosity to keep my ASM skils alive.
One thing I can't overcome, without TB i have fuel cut at around 1800 rpm.
This is safety future, but I can't trace it. Me7 logger still show that injectors are active, but they get cut around 1800 rpm
I am awere that no one have ever try this, but maybe someone has accidently came across maps or program that is have something about emergency fuel cut
I have a friend back on the east coast that tried to do this for the better part of a year. He swapped a 1.8t from a mk4 Jetta into mk1 and he was able to get it to run and rev kinda, but it would have a low rpm rev limit. He ended up swapping the throttle and pedal for the DBW stuff. I don't think he had any programming around and was only playing with calibration, I remember Him saying something about application mode.   


Title: Re: ME7 on cable throttle? Possible?
Post by: BlackT on May 26, 2024, 01:16:38 PM
I still want to solve this out, there is a  NMXDAEF but that does not change anything.
 Also what I have found it act like realy slow RPM limiter it cut fuel at ~ 1500 RPM than it does not come back until 1200-1300 rpm
But byte for fuel cuting is not active, any idea how can I trace this, what byte is for cuting fuel?