NefMoto

Anyone know what the story with why NefMoto is a censored word on AudiRevolution.net?

Since no one has spoken to me about it, it must be quite interesting indeed...  :)

Audirevolution is a joke. Those guys are ignorant asshats ruled by a moron who just loves to hear himself speak. Selective registration? All under the guise of freedom.

With that being said, I consider it high praise nefmoto is the one that shall not be named. How can saki have 1000's of posts without conveying one useful bit of information?

But as far as your question, I haven't the slightest idea.

:)

there was a huge argument i think jibberjive can chime in and let us know

they have to use code n.e.f. n.e.f.m.o.t.o  n     e     f    moto lol

Home of sakimano, the king of the clueless dipshits.

From what I understand (or don't understand), somehow/someone believes that Nefmoto is a collection of softwares that was derrived from others work.  I'm unsure if they are talking about some big name tuner's tunes being posted, or the Nefmoto software itself, or even logging software or tools from others that has been made available here.

If you check the thread it will explain more of why the owner/admin of that site has blocked Nefmoto:
http://audirevolution.net/forum/index.php?topic=736.0

From what I can see its one due to users posting pro tuned files, and 2nd because I think he believes Setzi's logger was reverse engineered from someone else's software.  At least that is the gist I get from his posts.

How he could know this, or come to this conclusion without seeing the source code is beyond me, so he is obviously going by 3rd party information at this point.  I got into a huge argument on that site in that thread FWIW because many of them are just a bunch of neanderthals.

ChrisK is a clueless moron.

They're all too dumb to do anything on their own, so they're rather pay somebody else to reverse engineer for them.

Apparently, if you pay somebody reverse engineer something, it isn't stealing.
LOL.

What a bunch of dumbshits.

I don't believe you. I think it's because they called you Notoriously Slow. :P

I almost died laughing when I read that.

^^ LOL :P

The biggest problem is they're all a bunch of nut swingers... They ridicule the EPL/AMD nutswingers on other forums, but when it comes to JHM and/or CountVohn he can do no harm.  For some reason because he is a tuner @ SVT/Ford he is supposed to magically know everything and anything about ME and can do no wrong.

Anyway, I said my piece there and got slammed because it's like a highschool there, the popular kid gets blindly defended by people that don't even know what is being talked about.

uh. Right. :rollseyes:

Same old horseshit from the same old dumbfuck jocks who have to pay others to think for them.

WOW, what a fun read that thread on AR was  :D

So reverse engineering or finding out how things work is stealing and illegal, someone better tell the patent office you can't read patents you might find out how something works and then you'd be a criminal.

No, it is legal if you are being paid to do it by an idiot who thinks it's illegal.

That's because HE's not stealing it Nye, he's buying it!

The guy he's getting it from on the other hand...

Seriously, though, I wonder what issues they have with setzi's logger.

It can't be the logging protocol itself; it is well documented, and at this point everybody knows how to log a RAM location.

Apparently, ECUx isn't "illegal", so its either because it uses this well known protocol, or because you have to pay for ECUx (LOL). Hell, the Nefmoto logger does the same thing.

So that leaves setzi's clever op code searching stuff.

As far as I know, there is no other software that does this for ME7.

In any case, I doubt anybody at AR has any clue what is involved in doing what ME7Logger does on that front.

So we can pretty much assume the AR crew is just universally retarded. Hanlon's razor, and all that.

That's pretty much it right there :)

I love when he tries to equate the word 'reverse engineering' to stealing, like when he says something like, "They even have a forum section titled 'reverse engineering.'"  Lol.

Oh, and apparently Saki love you Nyet like he does me.

After reading some of that threat, it seems as though I am a horrible person.  ???

For the record, all NefMoto and Setzi's software was written from scratch. Setzi and I both reverse engineered the ECUx protocol, and both decided it was slow. The logging protocol used by the NefMoto logger and ME7Logger are custom protocols totally different from ECUx and the standard KWP2000/KWP1281 protocols. If you know how to use a logic analyzer you can easily verify the protocol is very different from any existing data logger.

Also, for the record I prefer not to take down files people post. Before NefMoto everyone traded files secretly in private, now they are posted publicly and people can compare and discuss them. I won't be held accountable for other people selling files they don't have a right to.