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Technical => Tuning => Topic started by: masterj on May 02, 2013, 01:10:48 PM



Title: rl > (rlmax_w, rlmx_w and rlsol_w)
Post by: masterj on May 02, 2013, 01:10:48 PM
Hi, guys!
Today I did some small logs to check if my load isn't limited by anything. So far so good, but I have question regarding rl variable.
rlmax_w, rlmx_w and rlsol_w follows maps as expected but I kinda am curious about rl. In my logs it is higher than all the others. Would that indicate something or am I just paranoid?

rl is created in BGSRM (haven't looked into this module yet). Any more insight into this whole module and how rl is created?

P.S> I've attached graph in question


Title: Re: rl > (rlmax_w, rlmx_w and rlsol_w)
Post by: masterj on May 02, 2013, 01:14:37 PM
Found one more thing: injectors! They are directly affected by rl ir vice versa

Lambda correction is also going nuts...

stock MAF kinda not linear... Dunno if it is ok


Title: Re: rl > (rlmax_w, rlmx_w and rlsol_w)
Post by: nyet on May 02, 2013, 02:14:11 PM
Your MAF is likely reading high. Might want to scale it down a bit.


Title: Re: rl > (rlmax_w, rlmx_w and rlsol_w)
Post by: masterj on May 02, 2013, 02:26:21 PM
Your MAF is likely reading high. Might want to scale it down a bit.

Nyet, my maf is STOCK. Also lambda correction goes up and then down without any reason. O2 sensor is brand new. Any ideas if bad maf could be reading HIGHER than supposed to? :o Most of the times if they go bad they start to degradate and can't read high enough....


Title: Re: rl > (rlmax_w, rlmx_w and rlsol_w)
Post by: nyet on May 02, 2013, 02:42:10 PM
possibly boost leak then.


Title: Re: rl > (rlmax_w, rlmx_w and rlsol_w)
Post by: lulu2003 on May 03, 2013, 01:16:20 AM
I checked the log and only find some WOT up to 3000rpm in 3rd gear.
  ???

your HFM read is not filtered, look at ml_w to get it more linear.

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or am I just paranoid?

yes ;)


Title: Re: rl > (rlmax_w, rlmx_w and rlsol_w)
Post by: masterj on May 03, 2013, 02:55:05 AM
I checked the log and only find some WOT up to 3000rpm in 3rd gear.
  ???

your HFM read is not filtered, look at ml_w to get it more linear.

yes ;)

What about lambda correction? :)


Title: Re: rl > (rlmax_w, rlmx_w and rlsol_w)
Post by: masterj on May 10, 2013, 02:47:08 PM
Did some better logs... In second and third gears wot. Please look at my WG duty cycle.... And also injector duty cycle is way to high... Stock torque, but bigger injectors now result in same DC.


Title: Re: rl > (rlmax_w, rlmx_w and rlsol_w)
Post by: masterj on May 16, 2013, 09:17:15 AM
Changed FPR today (was giving a little bit too low fuel pressure). Nothing changed! One more thing that started to happen: After about one hour of non stop drive my car started getting random misfires on wot. Any ideas guys? Im attaching some small logs (in second gear though).


Title: Re: rl > (rlmax_w, rlmx_w and rlsol_w)
Post by: nyet on May 16, 2013, 09:22:50 AM
misfires on wot.

Same old recommendations.

plugs, coilpacks, POS (if you have them).

Generally can't diagnose misfires from logs :/


Title: Re: rl > (rlmax_w, rlmx_w and rlsol_w)
Post by: masterj on May 16, 2013, 11:34:34 PM
Same old recommendations.

plugs, coilpacks, POS (if you have them).

Generally can't diagnose misfires from logs :/

plugs and coilpacks <- brand new

what is POS? I know only one definition of this and it isn't related to cars :D

P.S> Nyet, could you elaborate a little bit about wastegate before lin vs wastegate after lin in my logs? isn't before lin too low?


Title: Re: rl > (rlmax_w, rlmx_w and rlsol_w)
Post by: IamwhoIam on May 17, 2013, 04:28:50 AM
Power Output Stage


Title: Re: rl > (rlmax_w, rlmx_w and rlsol_w)
Post by: nyet on May 17, 2013, 07:48:15 AM
could you elaborate a little bit about wastegate before lin vs wastegate after lin in my logs?

Err. It is PID output before/after KFLDRL :/

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isn't before lin too low?

Depends on your PID tuning approach.


Title: Re: rl > (rlmax_w, rlmx_w and rlsol_w)
Post by: masterj on May 17, 2013, 01:38:42 PM
Err. It is PID output before/after KFLDRL :/

Depends on your PID tuning approach.

Thanks, now I see... Btw PID is completely stock as is turbo (K03). Yet I can't understant why wastegate DC isn't at 95 whenever I press gas pedal 100% and load haven't reached the target?


Title: Re: rl > (rlmax_w, rlmx_w and rlsol_w)
Post by: phila_dot on May 17, 2013, 01:50:42 PM
WGDC maintains boost pressure actual to target, not load.

Desired load is used for load realization. Throttle angle and boost pressure are calculated to meet filling requirement, but there is no actual vs requested.


Title: Re: rl > (rlmax_w, rlmx_w and rlsol_w)
Post by: prj on May 17, 2013, 02:25:45 PM
Desired load is used for the filling adjuster (FUEDK).


Title: Re: rl > (rlmax_w, rlmx_w and rlsol_w)
Post by: nyet on May 17, 2013, 02:40:08 PM
Thanks, now I see... Btw PID is completely stock as is turbo (K03). Yet I can't understant why wastegate DC isn't at 95 whenever I press gas pedal 100% and load haven't reached the target?

the PID driven by lde (ld error) not load deviation. Please review the FR :/

"ld" is NOT load....


Title: Re: rl > (rlmax_w, rlmx_w and rlsol_w)
Post by: phila_dot on May 17, 2013, 02:51:38 PM
Desired load is used for the filling adjuster (FUEDK).

I can never tell whether your disagreeing or not, but exactly.

Charge control or filling adjuster (FUEDK) as part of load realization (FE).



Title: Re: rl > (rlmax_w, rlmx_w and rlsol_w)
Post by: nyet on May 17, 2013, 02:58:47 PM
Desired load is used for the filling adjuster (FUEDK).

but actual/desired load deviation does not drive LDRPID :/


Title: Re: rl > (rlmax_w, rlmx_w and rlsol_w)
Post by: phila_dot on May 17, 2013, 03:16:20 PM
I should correct my previous statement.

rlsol is evaluated against rl, but only for calculating throttle angle.


Title: Re: rl > (rlmax_w, rlmx_w and rlsol_w)
Post by: masterj on May 17, 2013, 03:40:52 PM
Um, guys, so KFLDRL is there to configure how much wgdc ecu can use on each pid correction? Ie: If duty cycle from PID returns as 10% KDLDRL maps it to whatever RPM/10% cell is? In my case it would be  38% @ 4000 RPM? Right? So basically this maps allows us to configure how fast PID will get to the target pressure? As in step size of corrections?

If we set this whole map to 95% then even smallest wgdc requested from pid will result in 95% and thus fastest achievement of target charge but also sinusoidal PID? Or am I completely wrong on this?


Title: Re: rl > (rlmax_w, rlmx_w and rlsol_w)
Post by: nyet on May 17, 2013, 06:01:23 PM
Um, guys, so KFLDRL is there to configure how much wgdc ecu can use on each pid correction? Ie: If duty cycle from PID returns as 10% KDLDRL maps it to whatever RPM/10% cell is? In my case it would be  38% @ 4000 RPM? Right? So basically this maps allows us to configure how fast PID will get to the target pressure? As in step size of corrections?

If we set this whole map to 95% then even smallest wgdc requested from pid will result in 95% and thus fastest achievement of target charge but also sinusoidal PID? Or am I completely wrong on this?

If you aren't already at 95% during spool *even with a stock KFLDRL* you are doing it wrong.


Title: Re: rl > (rlmax_w, rlmx_w and rlsol_w)
Post by: prj on May 18, 2013, 02:02:15 AM
I should correct my previous statement.

rlsol is evaluated against rl, but only for calculating throttle angle.

That is basically why I said what I said :)
Specifically because desired/actual does exist, since it subtracts rl from rlsol and that goes into throttle angle set point.


Title: Re: rl > (rlmax_w, rlmx_w and rlsol_w)
Post by: brs on September 13, 2019, 11:56:37 AM
Hi all,
i know this is old topic but i didn't want open a new topic.
My issue,rlsow_w not ever following to rlmax_w and rlmx_w
rlmx_w seems 254 but  rlsol_w seems max ~220 in my logs.
is this a torque intervention? or something else ?
maybe my kp axis wrong (KFMIOP) , i don't know..
KFMIOP
@166DE x-axis@13074 and y-axis@16840 in my .kp

Log and ori attached
thanks in advance



Title: Re: rl > (rlmax_w, rlmx_w and rlsol_w)
Post by: BlackT on September 13, 2019, 12:22:18 PM
Are you sure that your turbo can make more power? Where is WGDC?
Look at you KFMIRL values, they have smaler value than a LDRXN.
I must go, but tomorow i will explain better


Title: Re: rl > (rlmax_w, rlmx_w and rlsol_w)
Post by: brs on September 13, 2019, 12:31:07 PM
Are you sure that your turbo can make more power? Where is WGDC?
Look at you KFMIRL values, they have smaler value than a LDRXN.
I must go, but tomorow i will explain better


Turbo is a gt28 with external wg.
checked repeatedly, KFMIRL values  they haven't smaler value than a LDRXN


Title: Re: rl > (rlmax_w, rlmx_w and rlsol_w)
Post by: BlackT on September 13, 2019, 12:52:01 PM
Turbo is a gt28 with external wg.
checked repeatedly, KFMIRL values  they haven't smaler value than a LDRXN

Post a pic of KFMIRL and LDRXN


Title: Re: rl > (rlmax_w, rlmx_w and rlsol_w)
Post by: brs on September 13, 2019, 12:59:16 PM
Here


Title: Re: rl > (rlmax_w, rlmx_w and rlsol_w)
Post by: BlackT on September 13, 2019, 03:39:58 PM
LDRXN go to KFMIOP,  you get "misol"... "misol" go to KFMIRL and values you get after conversion are lover than a LDRXN values
So raise KFMIOP or KFMIRL values at "misol" you get from log

What about your KFLDHBN? Can you log it?


Title: Re: rl > (rlmax_w, rlmx_w and rlsol_w)
Post by: brs on September 13, 2019, 03:45:20 PM
KFLDHBN @1EE7E and all FF


Title: Re: rl > (rlmax_w, rlmx_w and rlsol_w)
Post by: BlackT on September 13, 2019, 03:53:01 PM
KFLDHBN @1EE7E and all FF
Log it if that is not big problem


Title: Re: rl > (rlmax_w, rlmx_w and rlsol_w)
Post by: brs on September 14, 2019, 02:30:47 PM
New log here
seems  rlmax_w following ldrlts_w but my KFLDHBN all FF
My KFLDHBN address is wrong ? can someone check it?
@1EE7E 8x8
or what else could cause this?



Title: Re: rl > (rlmax_w, rlmx_w and rlsol_w)
Post by: brs on September 15, 2019, 09:08:25 AM
update
my KFLDHBN address is correct,today tested.if i make orijinal to KFLDHBN ldrlts_w seems decrease..
Well now what's wrong?


Title: Re: rl > (rlmax_w, rlmx_w and rlsol_w)
Post by: BlackT on September 15, 2019, 09:17:41 AM
New log here
seems  rlmax_w following ldrlts_w but my KFLDHBN all FF

My KFLDHBN address is wrong ? can someone check it?
@1EE7E 8x8
or what else could cause this?


they are not, how it is posibble you can't see what is sooo obvius
Yes your adress is correct, but you don't have FF values in that map. Values in that map are for some slighti tuned 1.8T


Title: Re: rl > (rlmax_w, rlmx_w and rlsol_w)
Post by: brs on September 15, 2019, 09:41:35 AM
they are not, how it is posibble you can't see what is sooo obvius
Yes your adress is correct, but you don't have FF values in that map. Values in that map are for some slighti tuned 1.8T

i didn't never post my mod file in here.I don't know what file you're looking  but you're probably reviewing my ori file..
KFLDHBN is all FF in my mod file,as shown in attached picture



Title: Re: rl > (rlmax_w, rlmx_w and rlsol_w)
Post by: BlackT on September 15, 2019, 10:11:52 AM
Why you didn't post your tuned file?


Title: Re: rl > (rlmax_w, rlmx_w and rlsol_w)
Post by: brs on September 16, 2019, 12:50:14 AM
Any idea?