NefMoto

I want to pull my file from Maestro and run the file I've made but use a different Antilag / Launch control code along with some other things like IMMO defeat some extra ECU's I have for other projects. Is there a way to convert the .mstro file to a workable .bin that can be used with Nefmoto or has Eurodyne locked that possibility out?

I'm happy with the file I've made but Maestro leaves a lot to be desired. The Antilag doesn't work as well as a buddy of mines code.

Yes and no.

Yes, you can flash the maestro file and retrieve it from the ecu. Problem is, the ACTUAL file ID is incorrect, so finding the original will be a test of your patience. That, and the checksums are funky (ME7Check displays an RSA signature error, winOLS won't detect ANY checksums without importing over an original), so actually modifying it will be tough. The good news is that the changes maestro makes are transparent, as in the maps aren't encrypted or moved around. You could, in theory, copy the changes made by maestro into a stock file so as to be able to correct the sums and reflash.

But I digress. No, you can't turn the file pre-flash into something usable AFAIK.

Thanks for the quick reply, I'm not too savvy with tuning from scratch and I'm trying to learn basics from Maestro before I move to a "big boy toy" I have examined files extensively and read a good amount. I'm having trouble finding an .xdf that'll work for tuner pro though or a definitions file for winols (though I can't use win ols fully since it's a demo, cut n paste though)...I probably wouldn't have bought Maestro if I could find the def's, though it does have a nice logger when it works. 

Back to the subject at hand, from what you've told me I can though look at the file I've made and use the changes from Maestro on the non-maestro ecu by swapping the changed values.

Let me do a quick summary to see if I have this right,
1. read out my file from my ecu
2. load stock file for my ecu into winols or tuner pro (only have winols demo)
3. cut the changed value areas from the dumped file to the virgin file
4. add the Launch control code, shift light, etc. that I want to the now tweaked virgin file
5. run it though chksum checker
6. see if it works  :D

I just really hate some of the things Maestro doesn't offer and I'd love to add code for a better launch control, possible shift light, and tune switching from the CC stalk would be nice but that's a stretch at the moment.

This is a HUGE LONGSHOt and a very summarized IDEA and completely hypothetical, IF I ever learn to do anything productive with a real tuning program there's a few things I'd like to try since the 1.8T ecu has a few unused solenoids / connections (depending on your setup) that can be turned on/off by the ecu at a mapped interval. I'd love to know if it would be possible to use one of the connections (for example) using the cam timing for something other than changing the cam timing; something like using it to control methanol or nitrous (for spooling a BAT) injection from the ecu and disable VVT (just an example, it seems there's got to be a way to use the deleted parts for something that they weren't intended if someone were smart enough to figure that out). A little off topic I know, I just have a feeling there's a lot of potential in this ecu that isn't being harnessed or could be harnessed differently.

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Honestly, given the amount of work you'll have to put in, your best bet is to pay someone for exactly what you want and edit that when you feel confident. Reading your maestro file, finding the actual original it's based on without an accurate software number, and then porting it over is all more hassle than it's worth. Sell your maestro, get your car custom tuned.

i am kinda confused why a global mod is even involved in this question? seems like the OP is just trying to hijack his maestro tune, which is obviously in a encrypted format for a reason! 

Sell your maestro/ecu as said, and start with a known original file and definition from this site.

So, is this how Gonzo tunes peoples cars?   ::)

if i remember clearly GONZO & DMVDUB are best friends and work together

it smells like there working on a new way to cheat and break copyright

cheers mates

Seems like that is true (taken from the Gonzo website):

Independent Mobile Dealers
USA
DMVDUB-Shop
Mobile dealer (covering a 75 mile radius)
Warrenton, VA
540-316-0156
dmvdub@gonzotuning.com

Strange that someone would be attempting to copy/convert a Mestro tune when they're a "tuner" themselves.

Well, that's how he became a tuner, he already figured out how to get Unitronic files, modified them slightly and called them his own.  Just check his code.  It's embarrassing really. 

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?5967078-gonzo-tuning.-exp-please!&p=80900071&viewfull=1#post80900071

This certainly blew up.

Rarak:

I don't condone copying or stealing the work of others, but I am a firm believer in having the freedom to modify something I've purchased. It seems as though the OP has maestro, and has found it lacking in terms of function. I didn't tell him how to get the file from his ecu, and it certainly won't be achieved with nefmoto, so I don't see the harm in a little conversation. The fact that he had to ask the question means he's probably not capable of it. You'll also note that I've advised against even attempting it. In addition, if you take a look through some of my posts you'll see I generally advise against modifying the work of others.

As for the connection to Gonzo, I highly doubt he'd need to ask a question like this. If he wanted a Maestro file, I'm sure he knows how to get one.

All that being said, I had a chance to fool around with Maestro lately and was rather impressed. To be honest I was a bit skeptical, but the functionality is impressive.

I hijacked my maestro tune about 2 years ago if not longer but never disclosed the technique which can be applied to any tune and is fairly simple. Gets you full binary file albeit you still have to know which tune it is as maestro uses fake software IDs.

My question has nothing to do with Gonzo and I still stand by his tunes. I just wanted to know if it's possible. As stated I own the Maestro software, and I'm not using it on anyones car but my own. I have my file down that runs the car, I just want a better launch solution without switching from one ecu to another and if making it a .bin file to use a different launch code I don't see what the problem is. If Tapp had made it so you could switch between tunes or adjust launch rpms (or even have a launch control not antilag) without hooking up the pc every time that'd be nice but it doesn't. Why that's such a big deal I don't know...

 The rest is essentially a rant of what I wish was possible.

I'm not a tuner, I'm trying to learn how to tune my own car. Figured Maestro would be a good starting point to get the basics down. Selling Gonzo tunes makes what difference?

 ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

So why exactly does his files make more power and run better than a Unitronic tune??? Get the story right and stop trolling my thread I came here to ask a question for my own learning benefit and get this BS??? Sorry, I guess asking questions is dumb since all of you fell out of your mothers womb knowing how to tune a 1.8T

This isn't the vortex, keep it civil.

So far it seems worse than the MKIV section of the Vortex. 

I disagree. We have two new members who appear to have joined just to Gonzo bash. If that's the case, consider them gone. The rest of the comments have been from legitimate long time users.

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?5967078-gonzo-tuning.-exp-please!/page2

NEVERMIND

I appreciate the legit' answers. As stated I'm learning and trying to use Maestro as a learning tool since it's easy to use. Since it's encrypted and whatnot I'll not bother with screwing with it. At the same time I can't get a definition file for my ecu, so I can only look at files that are for other cars which only can give a person so much to learn from since I can't actually test them. Don't really understand why everyone treats all the 1.8T stuff like some big secret when I can get open sourced Subaru and Mitsubushi tunes, definitions, flashing software, etc. with no hassle.

I would ask how, but it seems people are finding this to be uncouth so I will just leave it be, and move on.

I didn't JUST join to bash, I've been a member for a while, mostly lurking.  My point is this.  If Gonzo knew how to do this, he would have done it by now, plain and simple.  He doesn't know how to do this and is having DMVDUB post for him.  It is that simple, sorry!

WE had this discussion numerous times and I still think that nobody can have any rights, moral or legal, to any "tune" since the original software IP rights belong to Bosch. So anybody modifying (tuner) it for profit or entertainment (end user) operates in that grey area of Bosch's "don't care" zone.  End of story.

CHrist.... You're effing ridiculous.

Understood, Just because some jackass Vortex members know that I know Gonzo they can't comprehend the Idea that I'd like to learn how to tune something on my own so they deem themselves important enough to derail any questions that I may ask.
Thank You though as you seem like you are attempting at helping, I just don't see a point anymore because the trolls will just keep making screen names and making stuff up. In reality these trolls are probably the ones who stole Gonzo's files. 

Matt-

I don't create numerous UN, go check me out on VAG sites, I use the same UN every time.  What I am telling you, is that Gonzo lies to you and you don't know the whole story.  Most importantly, why doesn't he help you do this if he knows how to do it?  Because I know he cannot.

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The point here is, I <-----See that? I am trying to learn something, and that's what this site is for or so I thought. I'm not really sure why you feel screwing with MY thread that has only to do with ME is something you feel you need to do. NOTHING about this had or has anything to do with Gonzo until you decided to start that.

Chris sells a product, cable and software for flashing yourself, much like the subaru guys, yes he charges for his NON opensource software, NON opensource hardware(or cheap) and for checksumming/modifications that most have a hard time doing.  The package is good enough to tune a car well, i have done it personally and like the package a lot.  Your paying for the software development, hardware, checksum abilities that very few understand on this board.





Matt-  There are plenty of files and definitions on this site that can get you started, tell us what ecu code you have, and then you can be informed of what you need or even some links.  06A906032LP/PL Damos on this site will take care of any wideband car go to think of it...... ;)

http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=866.0 (http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=866.0)

Thank you!

I am enjoying the Maestro Software but I'd like to move on to something else at some point and I think Maestro is a good starting point to understand how the maps effect one another.

Yeah, all I need is Damos like you've mentioned. I had a working one a while ago but don't anymore, the one I have is a TT definition and some others but the last thing I want to do is use things that don't correspond.

I don't know patent law and really don't care.

To me, it's an issue of ethics and I fail to see how the opinion of a few become a fact.

I agree, and i have zero ethical problem with any level of reverse engineering.

That said, from a *practical* standpoint, I still think its best to start with a bone stock file and do *all* the changes yourself, and understand *all* of them.

Anything less is asking for problems.

And, even better, it keeps you far away from the grayer ethical issues.

Reverse engineering and copying are different things.

In RE, the goal is to figure out how something works, not to just copy/steal/recycle.

The OP has asked that this thread be deleted. Anyone see a reason not to oblige, speak now.

In the immortal words of cpl. hicks...

lock thread is more appropriate IMHO

I don't much care what happens now to this thread. There was a lot of trolling, but eventually a user gave me the info / link I needed to move along.

Maybe I asked wrong to begin with, and some feel it's unethical, but if I own Maestro and I have no intention of selling or distributing files I don't see why using a tables I've already put together (using Maestro) would be a bad thing... Especially if Maestro doesn't offer a feature I'd like to have???

Ethics questoin: If I were selling or distributing the file I could see where that could be unethical, but by the time it's custom tuned to my car for E85 (which isn't offered by Eurodyne) isn't it more my work than Eurodynes (especially since it'll never see anyone else's ecu)?

FWIW, I wasn't questioning anyone's ethics in particular. Merely responding to the comment that I quoted.