Title: Rear 02sensors. Post by: Carsinc on June 10, 2013, 09:38:28 PM Well I've been working on Vw and audi for around 12 years and have learned something new that I wish to talk about.
On me7.5 cars atleast the rear is used at least partly for long term fuel adaptation. I'm just now learning this and I've been to atleast 2 vw advanced engine managment classes and one for fuel adaptation alone. I'm wording what you folks know about this. Title: Re: Rear 02sensors. Post by: ddillenger on June 10, 2013, 09:48:38 PM I may be wrong, but I don't believe the rear o2 is used for lambda correction on the 1.8's. I know they are taken into consideration for the 2.7t, but I've never seen it in the 1.8s.
Title: Re: Rear 02sensors. Post by: Carsinc on June 10, 2013, 10:55:26 PM The 2 cars I've ran into this on is a mk4 r32, and 225 tt that I converted to wideband and has a mk4 jetta ecu
with a UNImafless file it was UNI that pointed this out while I was trying to fix a hot start problem with the car. The problem turned out to be a ECU same file different ecu car starts great now. One of the tuners over there pointed me to the rear o2 not being hooked up could be the problem I was like how? That is the story I got. I also had a mk4 r32 that would go into softlimp? Now why have limp mode for a rear o2? I'm also trying to figure out how or if you can make a Mk4 r32 use single rear o2 like the s4. Title: Re: Rear 02sensors. Post by: prj on June 11, 2013, 12:05:09 AM Rear O2 is used for slight secondary correction, but if coded out properly then it is not needed.
Title: Re: Rear 02sensors. Post by: ABCD on June 11, 2013, 12:55:03 AM Rear O2s are basically for catalyst degradation monitoring.
How can they be used for fuel correction? Title: Re: Rear 02sensors. Post by: ddillenger on June 11, 2013, 01:07:02 AM The v6 uses them for rear lambda control (see CW CLRHK), but I've never seen that, or any comparable CW in the 4cyl files.
Title: Re: Rear 02sensors. Post by: CoupedUp on June 11, 2013, 07:28:50 AM Rear O2s are basically for catalyst degradation monitoring. How can they be used for fuel correction? What do you think would be adjusted for catalyst degradation? Your AFR, that's what. Fuel injection, combustion efficiency and catalyst efficiency all play a role on the AFR. Your ECU is trying to meet EPA standards so when combustion efficiency(albeit almost negligible) and/or catalyst efficiency degrade the only tool your ECU has is fuel correction. Title: Re: Rear 02sensors. Post by: Carsinc on June 11, 2013, 08:00:10 AM Rear O2 is used for slight secondary correction, but if coded out properly then it is not needed. This is what I was thinking, but nobody I've talked to can do it. I mean no rear 02sensor in the car yet no problem with long term adaptation or a soft limp. I'm swapping a mk4 r32 motor and would love to delete both rear o2 completely. I'm still trying to find a definition file for the ecu. Title: Re: Rear 02sensors. Post by: vdubnation on June 11, 2013, 08:03:14 AM This is what I was thinking, but nobody I've talked to can do it. I mean no rear 02sensor in the car yet no problem with there is a really good damos floating aroundlong term adaptation or a soft limp. I'm swapping a mk4 r32 motor and would love to delete both rear o2 completely. I'm still trying to find a definition file for the ecu. Title: Re: Rear 02sensors. Post by: Carsinc on June 11, 2013, 10:12:02 AM there is a really good damos floating around Yes but I have not found it, I know it on another forum of which I am not a member, maybe a pm? Somebody here has it I'm sure I'm willing to try to make a XDF from it and then share that up here. Title: Re: Rear 02sensors. Post by: ddillenger on June 11, 2013, 10:15:57 AM Yes but I have not found it, I know it on another forum of which I am not a member, maybe a pm? Somebody here has it I'm sure I'm willing to try to make a XDF from it and then share that up here. http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=3469.0 Title: Re: Rear 02sensors. Post by: Carsinc on June 11, 2013, 10:33:58 AM http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=3469.0 I think that may be the wrong link? Title: Re: Rear 02sensors. Post by: NOTORIOUS VR on June 11, 2013, 10:35:45 AM I think that may be the wrong link? No it's there a few posts down Title: Re: Rear 02sensors. Post by: Carsinc on June 11, 2013, 10:46:05 AM I found it, sorry I'm stupid.
Title: Re: Rear 02sensors. Post by: ABCD on June 11, 2013, 09:01:50 PM What do you think would be adjusted for catalyst degradation? Your AFR, that's what. Fuel injection, combustion efficiency and catalyst efficiency all play a role on the AFR. Your ECU is trying to meet EPA standards so when combustion efficiency(albeit almost negligible) and/or catalyst efficiency degrade the only tool your ECU has is fuel correction. Thank you! Title: Re: Rear 02sensors. Post by: Carsinc on June 12, 2013, 08:20:31 AM What do you think would be adjusted for catalyst degradation? Your AFR, that's what. Fuel injection, combustion efficiency and catalyst efficiency all play a role on the AFR. Your ECU is trying to meet EPA standards so when combustion efficiency(albeit almost negligible) and/or catalyst efficiency degrade the only tool your ECU has is fuel correction. So is the rear O2sensor the only one that controls long term fuel adaptation, or can it be deleted and the long term fuel adaptation still function?Title: Re: Rear 02sensors. Post by: ABCD on June 13, 2013, 10:31:20 PM Came across this article remotely related with the topic here.
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