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Technical => Tuning => Topic started by: omniscient on August 29, 2013, 11:05:58 PM



Title: How is WOT fueling calculated, sorry..
Post by: omniscient on August 29, 2013, 11:05:58 PM
I've been reading and playing with OLS for two days now with some ME7 files, I've started to get a grasp on the way it works.  I'm used to the late 80's - mid 90's Motronics found on BMWs with a low and high MAF table and a separate WOT column.  Perhaps I'm just over thinking it?  Do KFLBTS and LAMFA just control low - high load and WOT is based solely on MAF readings and injector constant or are those two tables responsible for fueling from 0-100% throttle?  I'm not looking for easy answers, I'm just driving myself nuts.


Title: Re: How is WOT fueling calculated, sorry..
Post by: nyet on August 29, 2013, 11:08:02 PM
http://s4wiki.com/wiki/Tuning#Open_loop_AFR


Title: Re: How is WOT fueling calculated, sorry..
Post by: omniscient on August 29, 2013, 11:44:21 PM
Right on!  Thank you!  I notice on different DME's it looks like LAMFA has less of a priority than BTS.  Does this mean that particular DME pretty much relies on the BTS tables since the threshold is a mere 400c?


Title: Re: How is WOT fueling calculated, sorry..
Post by: nyet on August 29, 2013, 11:52:03 PM
ME7 has no "priority" for open loop fueling. Lowest target lambda always wins.


Title: Re: How is WOT fueling calculated, sorry..
Post by: ddillenger on August 30, 2013, 12:02:14 AM
Right on!  Thank you!  I notice on different DME's it looks like LAMFA has less of a priority than BTS.  Does this mean that particular DME pretty much relies on the BTS tables since the threshold is a mere 400c?

Check out the M-box (S4 8D0907551M), LAMFA is disabled via the axis scaling.


Title: Re: How is WOT fueling calculated, sorry..
Post by: nyet on August 30, 2013, 12:09:32 AM
http://s4wiki.com/wiki/Tuning#LAMFAW

"LAMFA - requested lambda. Not very flexible for high load enrichment, uses requested load instead of actual load. Also, the stock LAMFA load axis is (incorrectly) restricted to 0.5%-1.0%. You will have to change it to full range (50%-100%) to use LAMFA, otherwise, the 1% column will be used at ALL requested load points!"


Title: Re: How is WOT fueling calculated, sorry..
Post by: omniscient on September 01, 2013, 07:30:59 PM
Thanks, guys!  I really appreciate the input!  So far this stuff doesn't seem much more difficult than the older stuff.


Title: Re: How is WOT fueling calculated, sorry..
Post by: omniscient on September 01, 2013, 11:07:42 PM
So with optimum crank angle, that map is used when lambda = 1 and then it switches to the other timing map for any <1 conditions?


Title: Re: How is WOT fueling calculated, sorry..
Post by: ddillenger on September 01, 2013, 11:19:45 PM
So with optimum crank angle, that map is used when lambda = 1 and then it switches to the other timing map for any <1 conditions?

KFZWOP/2 are used in the torque model, not actual timing. Current timing is compared against optimum (the values in KFZWOP) to determine ignition angle efficiency.


Title: Re: How is WOT fueling calculated, sorry..
Post by: omniscient on September 01, 2013, 11:56:55 PM
Confusion sets in.  So is KFZWOP the theoretical angle for optimum torque, which isn't possible due to physics of a turbo engine?  I'm reading about "KFZWOP/KFMDS - Re-interpolate if you alter the KFMIOP load axis" trying to figure out it's relation to KFMIOP.


Title: Re: How is WOT fueling calculated, sorry..
Post by: ddillenger on September 02, 2013, 12:09:52 AM
You have it correct.


Title: Re: How is WOT fueling calculated, sorry..
Post by: omniscient on September 02, 2013, 08:06:35 AM
So what is KWZFOP's weight in the calculation?  If I wanted to change the timing would I alter KFZW and KFZWOP?


Title: Re: How is WOT fueling calculated, sorry..
Post by: nyet on September 02, 2013, 10:24:58 AM
So what is KWZFOP's weight in the calculation?  If I wanted to change the timing would I alter KFZW and KFZWOP?

short answer, KFZW

long answer, you need to read up on torque based EFI systems :P


Title: Re: How is WOT fueling calculated, sorry..
Post by: omniscient on September 02, 2013, 10:07:44 PM
That's what I'm doing now.  It's really a personal goal but I'd also like to be able to offer my customers an option other than standard re-flashing with the newer Motronic stuff.  I'm not a fan at all of off the shelf tunes and chips, I'd eventually like to be able to tune these cars like I would any other.