NefMoto

Hey all.  I've been working with APR for quite some time now, and we've been trying to figure out why the flash is not requesting load/boost above what a stock ecu would.  I've sent a bunch of logs to APR with no resolution yet.  Now, they want me to log a particular value that cannot be logged with VCDS, or so they say.  They say that their "ECU Explorer" tool will log it, but they no longer make cables that work.  Short of writing a patch for the VCDS drivers to get this information, which they are willing to do, it cannot be obtained.

Is is possible to log this information with another logger tool, such as nefmoto?

This is what they said:

"Basically where we are at is we need more logs of a couple of particular values that VCDS wont actually log.

So basically that left us with two options. One would be to get the car here so we could log the vehicle with ECU Explorer 2, which I realize isn't a great option. The second option is to get you a copy of the original ECU Explorer as I verified last week that the load values we are looking for are in ECU Explorer.

However the downside with the original ECU Explorer is that A. we don't make the cables for these anymore, and B. the VCDS Cables that will work are usually just serial cables. Some people have had success with using the USB cables in the past however with the new drivers that VCDS has it will block information from ECU Explorer. I took a look at ECU Explorer and the VCDS Drivers this weekend, and with some work I believe I can patch either the drivers or ECU Explorer to get it working but it will take some time."

I asked for details on what exactly I needed to log, and that perhaps by using other loggers I could get this info, to which they replied:

"The value were looking for is one of the main Torque values.  This stems from the torque manager section of the ECU and the main input its called: milsol_w"

Can anyone steer me in the correct direction?

Thanks!

They should have told you to use ME7Logger.

Why have Ross-tech decided not to log this?

Because it's a variable within the ECU, people don't usually need to log this kinda stuff..

So I was able to use ME7Logger (what an awesome tool), but I did not see milsol_w as a value that I could log.  I found misol_w (Resulting Nominal Torque) and logged that.  Is milsol_w a variable, or a typo by the APR rep?

I used the original "R" bin file I found on here to generate the template and ecu file.

Does anyone have any ideas for what else to log for APR?  My problem is that the requested load from this tune is same as stock.  I've verified identical load requests on another stock A6 as a baseline.

I've attached the log that I took last night.  That'd be real sweet someone on here can help me identify APR's issue before they can!

Here's the ecu file that was generated from the "Audi A6 allroad 2.7T BEL 250HP 4Z7907551R.ori" bin file.  No milsol_w.

probably misol, as you said.

APR was able to help me out on this one.  I will be adding this line to my ecu file to log milsol_w

Interesting! Thanks for the update, and i'm very glad to hear APR is willing to help you with ME7Logger. Thats very awesome.

The other option was that they were going to hack the vagcom drivers so we could use it with their proprietary "ECU Explorer" tool.  I don't think they knew anything about ME7Logger.  I showed them the program and the ecu file and told them I needed the address for milsol_w and he was able to get that info from someplace else.

APR is still working with me on this one, and now that I've figured out how to use ME7Logger, it's gonna be just that much easier!

Hopefully you can convince them that ME7L is superior.. especially since they aren't keeping ECUx up to date.

I'm so pumped about ME7L that I think I am going to work on making an even better GUI for it.  :)

EcuX works with any generic cable me7 logger or Nefmoto Flash does, just an FYI. An you can obtain a hacked copy from here:

http://www.socals4.com/

But then the me7 logger is so much better :)

But who wouldn't love an open source GUI to ME7Logger that the community can build upon?  I am going to try to find time to start making a basic framework in .Net in the up coming days here.

Oh... and btw, as of last night, it looks like APR found the problem in their tune.  I shall find out once I get the new file and load it onto my ecu, but based on the correspondence from APR, it's pretty promising!  Thanks ME7Logger! couldn't have done it without you!

I got a fixed tune from APR today!   :D

Do you have to go to one of their reps or did they just send you a flashable file?

I have an apr at-home-programmer that I put a deposit down on to use while we were working on this issue.  they send me a new file, I flash it to the emcs module that's soldered to the board.

APR stage1 or 2 file?

When I started with support, I had a stage I with just two slots (stock and 91oct).  For the inconvenience I guess you could say, now I have their "stage 2+" with all slots (stock, 91, 93, 100).  As soon as I know we are done sending any more files, I'm gonna ship back that programmer and get my $80 back.

I bought a programmer. Awesome to have if you deal with a lot of APR ecu's and have no idea what is on them :P

What ecu number did you have again? Did you try the files they had on their site?

I have the "R" ecu.   They sent me a bunch of files, the ones that were on the website, earlier version of the files, stage one files, stage two files... I never tried a file that was for a different ecu number than R though.

I know I'm digging up an old thread but I want to verify that you had EMCS module in that ecu. 

Awesome! Wonder if they'll update the files on their site!

Yes it does.

Very highly doubtful.  I would venture to guess that if you were to go to a dealer, they'd probably flash one of old files that don't work.

I sent you all the files that I got from them anyway.  :P