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Technical => Tuning => Topic started by: overspeed on April 01, 2011, 05:04:31 PM



Title: Load definition x Maf values
Post by: overspeed on April 01, 2011, 05:04:31 PM
Can someone explain how the relation of Load (ms/Umdr) and the MAF values (Kg/s) ?

Everything I think doesn


Title: Re: Load definition x Maf values
Post by: nyet on April 01, 2011, 05:41:46 PM
Can someone explain how the relation of Load (ms/Umdr) and the MAF values (Kg/s) ?

Everything I think doesn

http://s4wiki.com/wiki/Load

Notice that ms/rpm is unitless.


Title: Re: Load definition x Maf values
Post by: overspeed on April 04, 2011, 08:36:35 AM
Well I wrote a full mesage, but it is beeing cutted !!!
Stdmass = Engine diplacement x density / Umdr... so that makes the load unitless (%)


Title: Re: Load definition x Maf values
Post by: overspeed on April 04, 2011, 08:38:26 AM
Wiki states only Engine displacement divides by density !!!


Title: Re: Load definition x Maf values
Post by: nyet on April 04, 2011, 12:12:57 PM
Well I wrote a full mesage, but it is beeing cutted !!!

You know you can edit your posts, right?

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Stdmass = Engine diplacement x density / Umdr... so that makes the load unitless (%)

No. Standard mass is displacement * standard density, which is volume * density = mass. Sorry, the wiki has a typo, which I am fixing.

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Wiki states only Engine displacement divides by density !!!

That is STANDARD MASS.

Load is ingested mass/standard mass


Title: Re: Load definition x Maf values
Post by: overspeed on April 04, 2011, 07:22:13 PM
I noticed if I wrote more than 3 lines and it


Title: Re: Load definition x Maf values
Post by: nyet on April 04, 2011, 07:22:47 PM
I noticed if I wrote more than 3 lines and it

Get a proper browser.


Title: Re: Load definition x Maf values
Post by: overspeed on April 04, 2011, 07:23:22 PM
Again... the message is beeing cutted  :-\ no edit button

Lets see if with Mozilla it goes rigth

yes !! huahuahua

Well... now it´s rigth, there was an error in Wiki (2 acctually in explaining because you have to state that Std ir per unit of revolution - Umdr, but it´s kind of obvious)


Title: Re: Load definition x Maf values
Post by: nyet on April 04, 2011, 07:26:13 PM
Again... the message is beeing cutted  :-\ no edit button

It should be right next to the "reply" link --- "modify"


Title: Re: Load definition x Maf values
Post by: auamanu on June 14, 2013, 03:26:20 PM
Hello,

i must push the thread.

Load calculate in % is no problem, but how ca i calculate the Load for a M3.8.x ECU?

The value is "ms/umdr.".


Title: Re: Load definition x Maf values
Post by: IamwhoIam on June 14, 2013, 05:50:11 PM
From a slightly older version of Motronic but it should give you an idea.

                mL (UHLM)
tL[ms]= ---------------- * KFUH
                 n * K1

mL = Luftmasse [Kg/h]
n = Motordrehzahl [1/min]
K1 = Konstante



Title: Re: Load definition x Maf values
Post by: overspeed on June 14, 2013, 06:32:38 PM
In older motronic load is related to injector pulse, that is related to torque... the time you get lambda =1,

Your fuel trim tables makes richer or leanner (more or minus than 128 that is the standart for lambda =1)


Title: Re: Load definition x Maf values
Post by: auamanu on June 15, 2013, 04:28:03 AM
What´s KFUH? I can´t find it in my M3.8.2.

I search the way to relate Air Mass to ms/umdr.


Title: Re: Load definition x Maf values
Post by: overspeed on June 15, 2013, 10:51:26 AM
You must look at grundampassungskonstante (KHFM) Kg/h x min/ms


Title: Re: Load definition x Maf values
Post by: auamanu on June 15, 2013, 01:42:45 PM
Sry, but i don´t understand this.

look at my attachment, pleace.

It´s my Value ( 32895 ) on KHFM right? Is it, how can calculate ms/umdr. with it?

Kg/h * 32895 , 32895 * Kg/h, 32895 * Kg/h * min/ms, ....

I become never a valide ms rate betwen 4-12 ms.. Always i get stuff...

Can me explane anybody this on a example pleace?


Title: Re: Load definition x Maf values
Post by: auamanu on June 17, 2013, 12:09:28 PM
Push