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Title: How to approach fueling
Post by: gefi on December 19, 2013, 01:29:52 PM
Hey guys , new here ... Long story short . Car is A3 AJQ 180ps , i've attached the my ols . So here come the questions , i've been thinking using lamfa + kflbts for further enrichment , then i realized that i don't have EGT so BTS went down the pipe . So i am only left with Lamfa now ? If so ok i can deal with it , but then i looked at lamfa , and boy do those numbers seem wierd - but car is running fine without problems . With the reading i've been doing i understood that the lowest req lambda is top priority , so that got me thinking that there must be some other map aswell ... ?  So am i missing something or are there aliens in my car :D


Title: Re: How to approach fueling
Post by: robbyrr on December 19, 2013, 01:39:13 PM
to my(limited) understanding is that you dont need an actual egt sensor to use BTS, the ecu uses a calculated value.

as for LAMFA, you just need to rescale the axis for better resolution.



Title: Re: How to approach fueling
Post by: gefi on December 19, 2013, 01:58:31 PM
Did u even look at the map ? Axis are rescaled , its the numbers in the entire map that bother me ...


Title: Re: How to approach fueling
Post by: ddillenger on December 19, 2013, 04:06:08 PM
Are you sure that's an original file?


Title: Re: How to approach fueling
Post by: gefi on December 19, 2013, 04:18:20 PM
No i grabbed it from ecuconnections (06A906032R  , the one from the car was locked with noread( i have it here with me) - and even after removing the noread tag still cant open it. Anyways i was planning to start from scratch so i went ahead and downloaded it. Found the maps and WOW :) If u are asking i can assume the address is right ... Another thing i noticed , tabgbts is set to -45 and kflbts is even weirder .. I start to think that i messed something up at somepoint .. :D


Title: Re: How to approach fueling
Post by: terminator on December 19, 2013, 04:20:20 PM
Its ori LAMFA  :) Strange Lamfa though... ???


Title: Re: How to approach fueling
Post by: terminator on December 19, 2013, 04:24:14 PM
I think ME7 uses KFLAMKR as richest AFR. So you have 1 (14.7) even if Lamfa = 1.9


Title: Re: How to approach fueling
Post by: gefi on December 19, 2013, 04:29:29 PM
Ok , will have to find KFLAMKR then . My concerns are that this might not be the ori. Has anyone ever seen something like this ? Also even if the car doesn't have egt , now that i see tabgbts at -45 , does that mean that if kflbts is richer then like u said kflamkr , it will run on it ?


Title: Re: How to approach fueling
Post by: terminator on December 19, 2013, 04:37:39 PM
ori file, but its another software version.


Title: Re: How to approach fueling
Post by: gefi on December 19, 2013, 04:40:26 PM
Thanks , and excuse me being such a noob but , what does that mean ? :D Can i work on it and flash it then ?

P.S Yep this one has the exact same lamfa and kflbts . Guessing i will work on my then :) Comments about the no-egt KFLBTS fueling ?



Title: Re: How to approach fueling
Post by: terminator on December 19, 2013, 05:06:05 PM
1.8t has no EGT sensor, but it uses Wideband O2, so be sure BTS works  ;)


Title: Re: How to approach fueling
Post by: terminator on December 19, 2013, 05:13:33 PM
Sorry, your 29F400BB uses Narrow band sensor. My mistake.


Title: Re: How to approach fueling
Post by: gefi on December 19, 2013, 05:17:07 PM
How would i be sure if i don't even know how it will work without egt.... Damn my mind is all screwed now :D Care to elaborate ? And u sure about the wideband ... cause last i saw it , it was a narrowband - Ah ok then , got me worried for a second :)


Title: Re: How to approach fueling
Post by: overspeed on December 19, 2013, 07:45:11 PM
this lambda map is correct...remenber, if you didn´t have lower lambda factors than 1,0 it will stay in closed loop (thats that 1,9XX values in LAMFA).

EGT is allways calculated in 1.8T engines, even S3 that have an EGT sensor does use mathematical calculation for protection (didn´t check in FR, but is what you see when you tune it)

in 1.8T you you have 29F400 normally it is narrowband and have only ASR control, if has 29F800 than normally it is wideband and has ESP+ASR


Title: Re: How to approach fueling
Post by: gefi on December 20, 2013, 02:37:22 AM
So even if it does have EGT sensor it calculates the current egt rather than just see what the sensor says ? And i can use bts with the current value -49(that means always activated ) ?


Title: Re: How to approach fueling
Post by: IamwhoIam on December 20, 2013, 03:39:16 AM
LAMFA values are normal for an AJQ


Title: Re: How to approach fueling
Post by: gefi on December 20, 2013, 07:27:48 AM
This is good . I can't seem to find KFLAMKR though . Anyone know if this one uses 317cc or 289cc injectors , cause when i put the inj.number in google i find several places that say both things .. ? Asking cause i will be putting 440cc injectors and need to know the old ones


Title: Re: How to approach fueling
Post by: terminator on December 20, 2013, 07:38:38 AM
18CD3 6x6


Title: Re: How to approach fueling
Post by: gefi on December 20, 2013, 12:58:08 PM
Huge thanks ! Can u point me KFLAMKRL too , and the axis if it not too much(about KFLAMKR too) :)


Title: Re: How to approach fueling
Post by: terminator on December 20, 2013, 01:21:47 PM
Sorry its KFLAMKRL, so this is what you are looking for. Added it into OLS


Title: Re: How to approach fueling
Post by: gefi on December 20, 2013, 01:39:52 PM
Thank you but i am using 2.24 and cant open it :)


Title: Re: How to approach fueling
Post by: terminator on December 20, 2013, 01:50:48 PM
Try it. Should be ok now


Title: Re: How to approach fueling
Post by: gefi on December 20, 2013, 02:50:11 PM
How did u find that - i guess u have a defined file close to this ? I am still looking for KFLAMKR - but please don't tell it to me , just guide me to it :D I've been looking over 10 or more defined files that my is a close match to them and they don even have KFLAMKRL ....


Title: Re: How to approach fueling
Post by: terminator on December 21, 2013, 02:22:58 AM
There is OLS file for 018DC on this forum.


Title: Re: How to approach fueling
Post by: gefi on December 21, 2013, 09:41:47 AM
Looking and looking and looking i came to the conclusion mine does not have kflamkr(as i understand it a factor for kflamkrl) if it is even possible. on all the damos , ols mappack etc etc i found that have them mapped , they seem to be next to each other . Well with mine that is not the case , and i cant seem to find it , help ?


Title: Re: How to approach fueling
Post by: bk56190 on December 22, 2013, 04:17:15 AM
AJQ ECU doesn't have kflamkr map. Fueling uses lamfa and kflbts.


Title: Re: How to approach fueling
Post by: terminator on December 22, 2013, 02:53:29 PM
I suppose it has KLLAMKR or smth like that in front of KFLAMKRL


Title: Re: How to approach fueling
Post by: gefi on December 26, 2013, 08:10:37 PM
Me again :) So after the long reading process about fueling(i know this should be the easy part ) - i felt i knew what i needed to try and put my 440cc injectors and dial them in. Calculated my KRKTE , TVUB (was expecting to have to change TEMIN but didn't get to that point) , flashed the file to the car and a big NO NO . Car idles funny , won't rev right , allot of missfires( i was not expecting it to be Ok from 1st point but tried with a few different values and no no) . So back to the drawing board , started reading all over again , and as it seems i did everything right , then something got me thinking that the injectors are not ok , a quick google and search over here showed that hey were non-linear injectors( 0 280 155 968 - Bosch Green Giant) saw a few treads here and there , and everyone mentioned that to be able to dial them in, FKKVS had to be tweaked allot . This got me scared(not feeling comfortable enough  , so i went back to oems ). So now my question is , is there a fast way to deal with FKKVS  , and the second question is , how to recognize linear to non-linear injectors . I now want to buy a second set just to play with , but i don't want to deal with FKKVS - at least not for now . Oh another one , could i have done something to block some meas blocks , like 32 ? i


Title: Re: How to approach fueling
Post by: littco on December 27, 2013, 02:14:12 AM
Me again :) So after the long reading process about fueling(i know this should be the easy part ) - i felt i knew what i needed to try and put my 440cc injectors and dial them in. Calculated my KRKTE , TVUB (was expecting to have to change TEMIN but didn't get to that point) , flashed the file to the car and a big NO NO . Car idles funny , won't rev right , allot of missfires( i was not expecting it to be Ok from 1st point but tried with a few different values and no no) . So back to the drawing board , started reading all over again , and as it seems i did everything right , then something got me thinking that the injectors are not ok , a quick google and search over here showed that hey were non-linear injectors( 0 280 155 968 - Bosch Green Giant) saw a few treads here and there , and everyone mentioned that to be able to dial them in, FKKVS had to be tweaked allot . This got me scared(not feeling comfortable enough  , so i went back to oems ). So now my question is , is there a fast way to deal with FKKVS  , and the second question is , how to recognize linear to non-linear injectors . I now want to buy a second set just to play with , but i don't want to deal with FKKVS - at least not for now . Oh another one , could i have done something to block some meas blocks , like 32 ? i

What krkte and tvub did you use..


Title: Re: How to approach fueling
Post by: gefi on December 27, 2013, 10:46:04 AM
KRKTE i used 0.074055387
TVBU was calculated for 3 bar according to the spec of the injectors - i mean this - http://www.boschdealer.com/specsheets/0280155968cs.jpg

After the fail attempt , i tried with lower values(0.073, 0.072 etc etc) and with bigger values (0.075 0.076 etc etc ) to no avail.


Title: Re: How to approach fueling
Post by: littco on December 28, 2013, 08:36:33 AM
KRKTE i used 0.074055387
TVBU was calculated for 3 bar according to the spec of the injectors - i mean this - http://www.boschdealer.com/specsheets/0280155968cs.jpg

After the fail attempt , i tried with lower values(0.073, 0.072 etc etc) and with bigger values (0.075 0.076 etc etc ) to no avail.

if you think FKKVS might be an issue then set it all to 1 along with maf correction map KFKHFM. that way you can rule them out as being the issue


Title: Re: How to approach fueling
Post by: gefi on December 30, 2013, 08:41:17 PM
Done that and again with no avail . Don't know what the problem is , i checked the injectors on another car(my other car , Honda ) just to make sure they are ok and they work like i expected them , idle, part throttle ,wot they do exactly what i tell them to do. Something is fishy here ...