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Technical => Tuning => Topic started by: savages4 on January 04, 2014, 09:00:40 PM



Title: Need input on e85 cold start issues (logs inside)
Post by: savages4 on January 04, 2014, 09:00:40 PM
I live in sunny san diego, the coldest temps I see are in the low 50s in the morning.  However, even at this high of a temperature i'm getting some issues with e85.  First, it takes ususally 2 attempts at cranking the engine before it comes to life.  2nd, if I try to drive it without letting it idle for at least 2 minutes, as soon as I press the throttle the car falls on its face.  I've attached about 1-2 minute log that starts with me cranking the motor and starting it first thing in the morning.  I blip the throttle several times throughout this log to simulate the falling on its face I'm experiencing.  From what I see the car is going very lean as soon as I touch the throttle and then over compensates and goes super rich.  Any input as to what I should adjust would be greatly appreciated!


Title: Re: Need input on e85 cold start issues (logs inside)
Post by: titi65 on January 06, 2014, 08:26:17 AM
Hi,

There is at least two thing (I think)
-Your enrichment is not sufficient (I've solved this thing on mine).
-Your wall wetting maps are sames as gasoline (like me), and it's a problem (I think).

I'm going dig in this direction soon . . .

If you find some things, you can say it there.

Thanks !


Title: Re: Need input on e85 cold start issues (logs inside)
Post by: savages4 on January 06, 2014, 12:06:54 PM
The log above is with cold start and warm up maps enriched about 30% over stock.  Hasn't seemed to help much, but maybe I need to get more aggressive.  As far as wall wetting, isn't it used more under engine braking then just idle / part throttle? Again, after about 2 minutes of letting the car idle it runs perfectly fine.


Title: Re: Need input on e85 cold start issues (logs inside)
Post by: titi65 on January 06, 2014, 03:08:14 PM
I resolved this by forcing more enrichment, it's running fine, event just after starting.


Title: Re: Need input on e85 cold start issues (logs inside)
Post by: savages4 on January 06, 2014, 03:10:13 PM
How much more did you add overall to the cold start table and the warm up tables?  As I said i'm at 30% and seeing very little improvement.  Also it's hard to fix by trial and error as the car only does it after sitting for 8 hours..


Title: Re: Need input on e85 cold start issues (logs inside)
Post by: titi65 on January 06, 2014, 03:44:14 PM
In my temp enrichment factor,, it's normally beetween 0 and 1, I moved very near of 1,so it's near 40% more in my case...


Title: Re: Need input on e85 cold start issues (logs inside)
Post by: sn00k on January 06, 2014, 03:55:00 PM
which maps are you adjusting?

this is easily solved by raising FKSTT (sometimes FKSTT_0_A, FKSTT_1_A) by approx 30% in 0 degC and lower.. and make a smooth transition to +15degC.


Title: Re: Need input on e85 cold start issues (logs inside)
Post by: savages4 on January 06, 2014, 04:02:06 PM
Sn00k I've done this and like I said same issues... And it's like 52-58 degrees Fahrenheit on starts up in the morning so it isn't even cold.  Maybe I need to enrich more than 30%?


Title: Re: Need input on e85 cold start issues (logs inside)
Post by: savages4 on January 14, 2014, 11:37:39 PM
With much more enrichment in the cold start and warm up maps I was able to achieve a nice start every time and being able to drive off within 20 seconds from starting with no issues. Thanks for the input on this one everyone.