NefMoto

Ok, stupid question time....

I have a Skoda Octavia MK 1 on an o4 plate, 1.8T AUQ Engine with modest mods.  Friend has similar setup but has a "questionable" remap.

We were thinking along the lines that dump his rom flash my car however in the process of just looking at the files post an ME7Check we see :

Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7601]
Copyright (c) 2009 Microsoft Corporation.  All rights reserved.

C:\Users\Justin>d:

D:\>cd ecu

D:\ECU>ME7Check
ME7Check v1.08 (c) mki, 06/2004-04/2011
Usage: ME7Check <bin-file>

D:\ECU>ME7Check skoda mod 2 "questionable".dat
ME7Check v1.08 (c) mki, 06/2004-04/2011
Usage: ME7Check <bin-file>

D:\ECU>ME7Check "questionable".dat
==============================================================================
ME7Check v1.08 (c) mki, 06/2004-04/2011
Checking file "questionable".dat (size=1048576)
Reading Version Strings...
-> Bootrom Version = 05.12
-> EPK = 40/1/ME7.5/5/4019.02//24b/Dst01o/210201//
-> Contents of ECUID data table:
   - '0261207440'         (SSECUHN)
   - '1037360646'         (SSECUSN)
   - '06A906032HN '       (VAG part number)
   - '0001'               (VAG sw number)
   - '1.8L R4/5VT     '   (engine id)
-> Contents of ECUID data table:
   - 'HW_MAN004'


-> No errors found. File is OK.   *********************


D:\ECU>ME7Check backup.bin
==============================================================================
ME7Check v1.08 (c) mki, 06/2004-04/2011
Checking file backup.bin (size=1048576)
Reading Version Strings...
-> Bootrom Version = 05.12
-> EPK = 41/1/ME7.5/51/4019.02//24C/Dst01o/141003/
-> Contents of ECUID data table:
   - '0261208531'         (SSECUHN)
   - '1037369040'         (SSECUSN)
   - '06A906032SJ '       (VAG part number)
   - '0010'               (VAG sw number)
   - '1.8L R4/5VT     '   (engine id)
-> Contents of ECUID data table:
   - 'HW_MAN004'


-> No errors found. File is OK.   *********************


His is the first, my standard the second.

Obvious question tho, hardware number appears different, and from what my limited knowledge thinks is that this map started life on a MK4 Golf, are the two different ECUs compatible? or will he and I perhaps run into issues?

Furthermore, what is :

-> EPK = 41/1/ME7.5/51/4019.02//24C/Dst01o/141003/

And what does it represent?

You'll likely have issues if you flash between ECU hardware revisions. I can't confirm this though. I have the same ECU / sw as your friend. If you post your original I can take a look to see how close it is to the 6032HN.

My map first, second friends map....

Is it usual to find different ECUs accross the same cars, (same age and model)?

@ nuriyan :

How does your friend like the jabba-tune on his skoda ?
What kinda bhp/torque is it doing ?

Would appreciate all feedback about it :)

Thanks,

PvL

I'll have a good look at these tomorrow and feedback as it's bed time in my time zone :) Others here may also be able to shed light on any differences.

It is quite common to see difference versions in identical cars in my limited experience.

Well apart from an offset the files are pretty similar (not including the mapping changes). Sorry I can't be more help but it is a different revision to my s/w so it's a bit of work to get my maps to line up.

How did you get the Jabba file out, over OBD with NefMoto?

The Audi guys have good success flashing between hardware variants but I've not yet read anyone doing it to a 6032xx box. Can anyone comment?

-C

Next time I see him Ill ask.

I used NefMoto to do mine...

Apart from the hardware variants, would there be any issue with me copying the actual map data from the modded 32HN using Winols to my 32SJ file? is there anything else in the map that may require copying across?

He is achieving roughly 210 to 215bhp and 230lb/ft

nuriyan,

Can you list the mods of your friends car? My brother has Skoda Octavia RS, this could turn useful.

One more thing that might help you: When i received ECU from eurodyne, it had part number "06A 906 032 HS" but it had "06A 906 032 LP" software flashed, this is part number that VCDS report...and my car (which is european GTI) calls for "06A 906 032 HJ" (original ECU part number) but the one i got from euroedyne works just fine :-)

I have no idea what the difference is between all these but I think you can definitely try it. Use boot mode if you get in trouble to flash back your original file.

This is good info. Thanks for sharing. I have a spare 6032HN that can try flashing to SJ. just might take a while as I only have a PITA way of cloning the E^2. If I get any results I'll post back.

I have a Golf IV GTI engine code AUQ and i have a different ECU hardware code "MJ" . It is very common to find different ECU hardware numbers across same engine codes. I don't know if there are any differences though. If anyone knows for sure let us know.

Been looking online to see if I can find the differences between revisions of ECU but can find any datasheets so far....

Ok just flashed this to my brothers skoda and the car was stock like and stock boost levels. I returned it back to his original tune and it's a lot faster.
Are you sure this is jabbasport tuned file? It looks like stock HN file.

Orienz, what box did you flash to...HN?

Interesting....

Just used HexWorkshop to compare and can see subtle differences, using Winols I have checked the maps and there are small changes....

This doesnt bode well....

Waiting for the reply from my friend with regards to the map, I think he's either been misled or is talking dog pooh...

He doesnt live local so cant check myself, just what he has told me....

" I think he's either been misled or is talking dog pooh..." Heh.

Do you think you could rename your attachment to remove "Jabbasport" until it is confirmed that is what it is? It seems a bit unfair to put their name to something that might be dog pooh. :)

I'm still hoping to have a play later to have a look at the changes in detail. Seems odd that someone would load the stock file into WinOls and add noread protection.

Was thinking the same, so all changed, dont want any bad allegations against good tuners based from this thread.... All changed to "questionable"... seems more precise

Oh, for the record, the 'tuners' tune was/is advertised on ebay.uk
Same checksum.

Cheers,

PvL.

Yes i flashed it to HN box, car started good, ran good but it felt like stock car, stock boost levels. I doubt that this is jabbasport tune.

I took a look at the supposed jabbasport file and it's actually a 06A906032HS, so you can use the damos I made for HS. Also, file is tuned.

Damos:
http://www.nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php/topic,401

ArgDub, many thanks.

I suppose the question is then how do I make a file compatible with the 32SJ?

How come it's not making the power it should if file is tuned?

My advice, forget this file.

nuriyan,
I just posted one tuned HN file in "Tuned ECU Files" section. See if it can turn useful to you. It's supposed to be stage 1 tune and it has been running on Skoda Octavia VRS for almost two years now and it turned out to be pretty good.

I checked the LDRXN map and that file is definitly tuned, but I didn't say the tune is good.

(http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/8859/img1x.th.png) (http://img842.imageshack.us/i/img1x.png/)

Ignition looks unchanged though?

Many thanks, Ill just have to keep a look out for a 32HN ECU not knowing the differences between that and my 32SJ I dont want to flash just in case of issues...

The EPK string is named "EPROM identifier" in the ASAP specification, it is contained in
damos/asap2 files as well as in the flash images, so you can match both.
For example, the EPK-String of a 1.8T CH-box is: "40/1/ME7.5/5/4012.01//24b/Dst01o/110700//"
The first number is just the string length, then is visible wether it is an ME7.5 or ME7.1 or ME7.1.1,
"Dst01o" is for "Datenstand 01o", that is data version 01o, and the last number is the date 11-JUL-2000.

ArgDub,

Your Damos, can you please tell me if the 32SJ compatible with it?

I don't think so, but you can try and tell us

At this risk of sounding completely stupid can I please ask how you developed the shot above, do you have specific plugins necessary? is it a simulation, any clues welcome...

Oh and the DAMOS seems to be ok for the most part on the 32SJ but of course I am still reviewing it.

That screenshot shows just a overlap between the original LDRXN map and the mod map. By the way, if I were to judge this tune based only on this map I would say that it is a normal stg1

I would like to check the HN damos with SJ file, could you upload the ori?

Here is my original file buddy....

Hi tried this file and did a vag com log. My auq is standard but posted log anyway.

I tested the stage 1 flash as well from this site and although torque improves the bhp seems to be less than stock !

Maybe vagcom doesnt work with chipped ecu's

ok did bhp by the g/s / 0.8 formula and get about 200bhp

excell adjusted !!

sorry

It's possible to use SJ firmware/hardware instead of HN and vice versa. I've got some real expirience with flashing firmware into ECU with different letters and even with different numbers. I bought spare 4B0906018DC from AWT engine. When i opened it, inside hardware was exactly the same as in my stock 06A906032HN, only size of the DC box was smaller than HN and it wasn't dustproof. I decided to experiment and tried 06A906032SJ 0010 firmware on it because I wanted to use software newer than my stock 06A906032HN 0001. I successfully flashed it with SJ firmware and ran for about 1 day. I noticed slight grow in fuel consumption. Also the turbo behaved differently. And I felt less torque at lower RPMs. Engine ran lazier than on HN software. But in general all worked fine. I decided to return to HN but wanted to try newer version 0002. Till now i'm on 06A906032HN 0002 firmware in 4B0906018DC ECU installed instead of stock HN ECU on AUQ engine and drive without problems.