NefMoto

so far ive gone through from what i learned off nef and started from scratch...

set FKKVS to 1s
KFKHFM to 1s
CWMDAPP to 8 and KFLDRAPP to 0s

currently the car drives smooth, stft bounces around from -7 to +6 or so at idle "reading with vagcom", maybe slightly closer to zero once it warms up, im not sure on ltft yet or how long it should take to adapt them? they are around 9 i think? "high"

i guess my maf scale needs work?

im about to go pull a log now with nef logger, it has a zeitronix wideband hooked to the logging sw

thanks guys




fresh log including te_w, nmot, and fr_w

b5 s4 btw...

Bump :cries: $$

tabgbts stock, bump that and adjust kflbts

and/or use LAMFA for fueling

found some much needed help, thanks guys, im reading daily! ill study these values and params to see what ive been doing wrong, thumbs up...

ok... finally got the fuel trims in spec, LT/ST +/- 5 , maf is scaled,  ive spent many hours on the file trying to get PID straightened out comparing this file with other stage 3 pid/boost files in the 22 psi range, my requested is 22psi? but floats between wg pressure "10 psi" and 15psi :/

maf flow is staying below 290
load below 150...
LDRXN_1_A   109.9  120.00  132.75  145.81  164.23  182.23  198.97  204.73  209.98  209.98  209.98     209.98  209.98  209.98   209.98   209.98

the hardware is all fine, no leaks, other files hold boost steady

log/bin included...  

You're using (not sure how) my K24 1 bar PID. That's completely insufficient for your turbos.

The I-limit is entirely too low for you.

Ahh ok so these are rated for lower cracking pressure ko3/4s possibly? Basically me and another member that are still in the learning stages collaborated. That's how I ended up with the pid values. I do have a rs6 tuned file somewhere I believe but it's for meth and all, should i copy over certain pid values from that file? Thanks for checking it out. I'd love to get this car to 21 psi.  Everything else seems in order.

No.

That's not what happened. You used my file. You didn't use parts of it, you just changed MLHFM and KRKTE. My signature is even in it still.

There was no collaboration, you used a file that I created for someone else on your car. To be honest, I don't even care. It just annoys me that you're not coming up with something on your own.

That file is 100 percent unsuited for your car. Using it is foolish.

in respect of your code i deleted the file, i had help , didnt know of any wrong doing, i was trying to learn i apologize...  why would i  post a deliberate hack or wrong doing here? i had sent some logs and thought i was working with a base... i can use the mlhfm and such  values and start over if you think thats best...  again my bad...

It's not really that, its that you made assumptions about somebody else's file and copied tables w/o knowing what every change does.

ok back to square 1 ...... i understand now..

You misunderstand. I could care less about you using my file. What bothers me is that you used it without understanding any of it on a setup VERY different than it was designed for.

The entire point of this forum is to encourage learning. To teach you how to create your own files.

What's wrong with using that file?

1. You have 5psi wastegates. It was written for 14psi gates.
2. Your turbos can spool much faster. That file is set to achieve full boost 1000rpm later than yours will.
3. That file will run leaner until the turbos are spooled. This is bad as you will be in full boost well before fueling is adequate.
4. That's clearly one that isn't complete, as both the fuel, and maf correction tables are unfinished.

That, and it's got changes specific to the way I do things. You're not me, you don't know why I did what I did, or what I was trying to do. You'll spend more time chasing your tail here than you would starting with the nefmoto stage3 base. ANYTHING is a better start than that file for your turbos. You're very lucky you didn't do damage.

nothing was deliberate.. ive read over and over the wiki... i have learned some but apparently have a ways to go.. otherwise i would of picked up on it... i will go back to a new base m box file...

FKKVS to 1s
KFKHFM to 1s
CWMDAPP to 8 and KFLDRAPP to 0s

scale my maf and go from there and log fuel trims..... ive been reading for months.. !

Your turbos are going to require around 70 percent DC to hit 20psi at 3500rpm. Take a look at the nefmoto base file, DIMX.

thank you daz for the info and bare'n with me.... so dont start with a plain mbox base bin? start with a stage 3 base bin? i had no clue there was such a thing...  ill search for base files as we speak.. i guess my initial file F up was starting with a PJ ko3 mbox ecu bin....

Brax, delete the bin you posted up so that doesn't get sent around the world.  And hit me up on google talk for help, thanks.

i deleted the bin immediately after the first reply.. the first post in this thread was a completely stock mbox i was solo working on that i had all F'd up, thanks ill pm you for the best advice and route to go.. its much easier when someone says yes you need to start with this certain base file. ive been over the wiki and over and over and over, i have learned a lot but am far from understanding every param etc...

pm sent on gmail

FWIW, with CWMDAPP = 8 you altering PID tables will not affect anything as WGDC is set via KFLDRAPP. I told you to do this to sort out fueling, which you should do before you go about increasing boost.

i just yesterday altered a base bin "tonys" which is what i originally set out to do but was told to start from a fresh stock bin "nightmare", anyways the car ran decent for a first log, 3.90 fats i believe cf below 6... i have a wide band and am keeping a eye on fuel.. thanks for the info, i appreciate every little tip and help... i know you guys have enough stuff going on already!