NefMoto

Wow my first sticky.  I'm glad I can be of service to other noobs and show them they need to do more than find the right cable (a major topic in the noobs section), find the correct programs, be able to read their own file, then find the correct .bin file and correct .xdf file, then make changes to the file using a dictionary, run the me7sum.exe and then me7check.exe, and flash the new edited file back onto their car (this is supposed to be a run-on sentence by the way) before they ask for advice.  How much effort is enough?  What questions are we allowed to ask?  

You can ask whatever you want. It's an open forum.

BUT.

This is a big one. Nyet has spent 10 YEARS. 10. Years.

Cultivating the S4tuningwiki. I have spent 127 days, 18 hours, and 54 minutes as of this post on nefmoto. Reading. Learning. Trying to give back.

Every new member that comes in and asks for help gets it. Your post basically said "You guys are wasting your time, I don't want to take the time to learn anything, My time is to valuable to spend reading enough information to comprehend what's going on. GIMME".

The nefmoto community project thread discusses EVERYTHING you asked about. There is even an XDF that translates LOAD to BOOST. All you have to do is spend TEN minutes reading through it. That's it. TEN minutes of your time in exchange for years of ours.

You not taking the time to even do that is just wrong.

i remember his site before it was the tuning wiki. i scooped some bins and a few other files off there.

     I feel you.  Being a father I know exactly where you're coming from.  Your kids can do it without you and that is the best and worst thing at the same time. 
     Obviously, I'm asking the same questions you asked, but you didn't have NefMoto.com to go to.  I respect you for cutting the trail, which turned into a road, which is now a highway people use all the time without thinking about it. 
     Maybe you'd be willing to give me a task,  one that if completed, I would have the knowledge I ask for. 
     In here I am a Noob, and you guys are gods.  But a god is only a god until there are others who can do the same things, and have the same knowledge.

I'll go through the community APB thread again

okay I went through the APB thread pretty intensely and it looks to me like basically they have turned the boost up to 14.9 and when logged the car isn't a obtaining that boost. That's exactly where I am in my personal experience.  I'm going to turn up the last row in my torque request map to 220 and try that.

Read a bit more. The issue isn't the request, it's the correction maps for temp and altitude.

Ok i found it


"fldrrx_w is 1 throughout, I imagine coolant temp remains below 117* c, so all rlmxko_w intervention is from KFTARX.

There is also load intervention via ldrlts_w (KFLDHBN)."

Short answer for noobs:

There are a lot of complexities to the requested load->boost calculation, so often quite a bit of trial and error is required.

The first limit hit when specifying boost via LDRXN is KFMIRL (which may not be requesting enough load to meet LDRXN's limit), followed by HBN (which is limiting requested load by back calculating a P/R limit to a load limit).

The other odd things that pop up are IAT corrections (there are two: load and boost), and VVT dependent corrections.

There is NO way of explaining any of those "simply". If you want a deeper understanding, you'll have to look through the FR itself, so expecting a "I just want a simple answer because I don't have time to read the FR" might be met with some hostility from those who have spent a TON of time digging through FUEDK.

Especially from myself, because I have been trying to explain these things "in simple terms" for quite some time via the Tuning page, which nobody seems to actually read carefully before demanding "I just want a simple answer".

Unfortunately, in this case there are no simple answers.

I understand, I deeply apologize for being so annoying.  This is some very complex shit.  The community APB thread is doing it the right way, I'll follow along and contribute if I can but no more "hey just tell me the answers" 

Apology accepted; and I apologize for my bad behavior as well. I'm definitely partly to blame here, and I have a tendency to be mean and condescending to noobs.. and unfortunately it seems to be rubbing off on DD, who (at least before he met me) was a super nice guy :)


Welcome aboard :)

Buckle up, the process can be brutal on noobs.

ha! He ain't so bad.

He's actually my role model for being nicer.

 ;D  = why I'm lurking more than posting. When I can contribute more I'll post!

Can you explain how this karma system works. Is that something we hand out like candy or more like a gold medal?

Exactly the same here

It's member assigned. Hitting the applaud button next to a username is a +1. Hitting the smite button is a -1.