Title: Has anyone played with camshaft settings? Post by: tbm on November 19, 2014, 08:00:09 AM Hi guys,
I've installed ADR intake camshaft and GT2871 in my AUQ engine and obviously I tuned the ECU. According to my previous experience I changed camshaft overlap settings as following. Int: 1.0mm Ext: 0.7mm. To tell the truth I'm satisfied how the engine works and how much power it has but as always I want more power :) So the main question is: does anyone has log files with non stock camshaft settings for stock or NA camshafts? PS the spool is a little late at about 4000 rpm and I want to try reducing overlapping maybe I'll find more earlier the spool with the same power at high-end rpm area. My logfile is attached. Regards. Title: Re: Post by: byzan a4 on November 22, 2014, 03:45:11 AM Camshaft settings? In what way
Title: Re: Has anyone played with camshaft settings? Post by: Dave87VRS on November 25, 2014, 01:23:28 PM also interested in this
Title: Re: Has anyone played with camshaft settings? Post by: nbdiy on November 26, 2014, 01:33:04 AM I do this moslty only on naturally aspirated engines, there is much potential if they were restricted because of emission-standards (nox-reducing), e.g. by internal Egr-Functions, or throttling to get more difference to a following model.
My favorite example is the A8 D2 6.0 W12... Ori 420Hp, after reworking, removing Egr, and more.... 490Hp (no joke), still not the limit, but safe. Customer(good friend) was more than happy. Called me in the middle of the night to tell me that the car run like never before and new rs5 got no chance :) Title: Re: Has anyone played with camshaft settings? Post by: Dave87VRS on November 26, 2014, 10:56:45 AM Hi guys, I've installed ADR intake camshaft and GT2871 in my AUQ engine and obviously I tuned the ECU. According to my previous experience I changed camshaft overlap settings as following. Int: 1.0mm Ext: 0.7mm. To tell the truth I'm satisfied how the engine works and how much power it has but as always I want more power :) So the main question is: does anyone has log files with non stock camshaft settings for stock or NA camshafts? PS the spool is a little late at about 4000 rpm and I want to try reducing overlapping maybe I'll find more earlier the spool with the same power at high-end rpm area. My logfile is attached. Regards. What addresses in the map did you tweak? I also have the AUQ Title: Re: Has anyone played with camshaft settings? Post by: 10101011 on November 26, 2014, 11:35:49 AM just get 2.8 cams and call it a day. The 2.8 cams have more duration and opening. Then just drill the cam sensors mounting ears and clock the sensors.
Lee Title: Re: Has anyone played with camshaft settings? Post by: Dave87VRS on November 26, 2014, 02:10:13 PM I take it by 2.8 you mean the 2.8 v6 engine?
AUQ is a 4 cylinder 1.8 Title: Re: Has anyone played with camshaft settings? Post by: 10101011 on November 26, 2014, 02:15:59 PM I take it by 2.8 you mean the 2.8 v6 engine? AUQ is a 4 cylinder 1.8 Oh crap I messed that one up. Sorry ... for some reason I had the 2.7th in my head. Just ignore the info I put up above Lee Title: Re: Has anyone played with camshaft settings? Post by: 10101011 on November 26, 2014, 02:29:28 PM 1...The easy way for the 1.8t is to get a 16 valve adjustable cam gear and drill out the mounting ears on the cam shaft sensor so you fool the computer.
2....or learn the computer and properly adjust the cam shaft that way. 3.. do the research and find which 1.8t engines have the performance cams from the factory all ready 4. Buy performance cams and spend a lot of cash Lee Title: Re: Has anyone played with camshaft settings? Post by: Dave87VRS on November 26, 2014, 03:34:19 PM The AUQ has VVT from the factory and it can be tuned to deliver more power over the rev range. Just never come across someone who has done it. The OP seems to be on the right track tho
Title: Re: Has anyone played with camshaft settings? Post by: turboat on November 26, 2014, 04:07:23 PM Everything I've read says the vvt on the auk is only swung for emissions, but interested if you could use it for torque, if I get a clear day I'll log my rtech auq and see what they do with the cam angle, as that's a very torquey map.
Title: Re: Has anyone played with camshaft settings? Post by: Dave87VRS on November 26, 2014, 11:14:49 PM I believe rtech offer a map that uses the vvt for performance and not emissions. In standard form the vvt is used during cold starts only but can be utilised
Title: Re: Has anyone played with camshaft settings? Post by: tbm on November 27, 2014, 02:31:34 AM What addresses in the map did you tweak? I also have the AUQ What exactly do you want to know? I adjusted camshafts overlapping with special tools. You can see it here http://postimg.org/gallery/39ygwnooc/Title: Re: Has anyone played with camshaft settings? Post by: tbm on November 27, 2014, 02:37:00 AM The AUQ has VVT from the factory and it can be tuned to deliver more power over the rev range. Just never come across someone who has done it. The OP seems to be on the right track tho Have you tried to play with VVT? I've tried but this didn't give any reasonable results with my current overlap settings. And I came to a conclusion that VVT should be disabled. Title: Re: Has anyone played with camshaft settings? Post by: tbm on November 27, 2014, 02:39:07 AM I believe rtech offer a map that uses the vvt for performance and not emissions. In standard form the vvt is used during cold starts only but can be utilised According to ME7.5 manual VVT is used during cold start only for cat warming.Title: Re: Has anyone played with camshaft settings? Post by: tbm on November 27, 2014, 02:42:01 AM Dave87VRS, what spec your engine has? I mean - turbo, portings etc.
Title: Re: Has anyone played with camshaft settings? Post by: adam- on November 27, 2014, 02:43:31 AM Dan has played with this too.
I've allowed overlap until the turbo spools and then kills it back off once it's spooled, there's a massive thread on it. http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=2102.0 Title: Re: Has anyone played with camshaft settings? Post by: nbdiy on November 27, 2014, 02:52:54 AM In my opinion:
On turbocharged engines it makes no sense, only in the range the range the turbo makes no/ or small boost. Its a misbelief that you need overlapping on charged engine, because the pressure in the manifold will in case of overlapping press fresh air into the exhaust and thats not what you want (only if you want to cool down your exhaust/turbo), you want it in the engine, to get good efficiency. Let the exhaust valve close at TDC (not before, because you have old exhaust gases in you engine<- internal egr) and open the inlet Valve directly after. Only on small pressure or low volume flow you can make a small overlapping. Its an other way on noncharged engines, there you can use overlapping to get more air in the engine, but also can make internal egr with it, if you make the overlapping in a wide range, or much before tdc. Title: Re: Has anyone played with camshaft settings? Post by: Dave87VRS on November 27, 2014, 03:37:00 AM Dave87VRS, what spec your engine has? I mean - turbo, portings etc. Still running ko3s. I misread your first post. I thought you had managed to activate the vvt for a performance increase. Your correct in saying its used for cold starts only however it can and has been utilized for performance gains. Title: Re: Has anyone played with camshaft settings? Post by: tbm on November 27, 2014, 04:13:49 AM Dan has played with this too. What turbo do you use? How much turbo spool was increased with overlapped settings?I've allowed overlap until the turbo spools and then kills it back off once it's spooled, there's a massive thread on it. http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=2102.0 Title: Re: Has anyone played with camshaft settings? Post by: tbm on November 27, 2014, 04:21:25 AM In my opinion: I'm also pretty sure if you increase camshaft overlapping you move torque peak at higher rpm range. That is the main reason for this adjustment in my opinion.On turbocharged engines it makes no sense, only in the range the range the turbo makes no/ or small boost. Its a misbelief that you need overlapping on charged engine, because the pressure in the manifold will in case of overlapping press fresh air into the exhaust and thats not what you want (only if you want to cool down your exhaust/turbo), you want it in the engine, to get good efficiency. Let the exhaust valve close at TDC (not before, because you have old exhaust gases in you engine<- internal egr) and open the inlet Valve directly after. Only on small pressure or low volume flow you can make a small overlapping. Its an other way on noncharged engines, there you can use overlapping to get more air in the engine, but also can make internal egr with it, if you make the overlapping in a wide range, or much before tdc. Title: Re: Has anyone played with camshaft settings? Post by: tbm on November 27, 2014, 04:25:46 AM BTW: does anyone know stock camshaft overlapping settings for AGU, AUQ and BAM engines?
Title: Re: Has anyone played with camshaft settings? Post by: nbdiy on November 27, 2014, 04:39:29 AM I'm also pretty sure if you increase camshaft overlapping you move torque peak at higher rpm range. That is the main reason for this adjustment in my opinion. On naturally aspirated engines I agree. But I think on turbocharged engine´s I think you shoot to much air in the Exhaust. Your Maf-readings go wrong, because you have less air in engine, then measured, and the turbo has to spin lot more to get the same boost, and in this case it will die if you drive the same boost-pressure than before, that are my thought´s to this... Title: Re: Has anyone played with camshaft settings? Post by: littco on November 27, 2014, 04:42:04 AM BTW: does anyone know stock camshaft overlapping settings for AGU, AUQ and BAM engines? What do you mean? With VVT active its around 23 degrees open and when not active its around 1 degree, Title: Re: Has anyone played with camshaft settings? Post by: zillarob on November 27, 2014, 04:57:59 AM If a compressor is making enough psi/flow to overcome what it takes to drive the the turbine (that drives the compressor), wouldnt that be like one of those free energy contraptions :o
Title: Re: Has anyone played with camshaft settings? Post by: tbm on November 28, 2014, 12:52:55 AM On naturally aspirated engines I agree. The best solution to solve over discussion is return back stock camshaft settings and create several log sessions :)But I think on turbocharged engine´s I think you shoot to much air in the Exhaust. Your Maf-readings go wrong, because you have less air in engine, then measured, and the turbo has to spin lot more to get the same boost, and in this case it will die if you drive the same boost-pressure than before, that are my thought´s to this... Title: Re: Has anyone played with camshaft settings? Post by: tbm on November 28, 2014, 12:55:20 AM What do you mean? It is 23 and 1 degrees in addition to default settings. But I can't find how much is default camshaft overlapping settings for these engines. I believe it should be about int: 0,5mm and ext: 0,3mm.With VVT active its around 23 degrees open and when not active its around 1 degree, Title: Re: Has anyone played with camshaft settings? Post by: nokiafix on November 28, 2014, 01:44:41 PM Tfsi the inlet can be used to make the engine sing and dance reduce dynamic cr aid spooling move kr windows ect, not much on the 1.8t just can use it to aid spooling. Not like the JBS claim of 40hp gains from vvt attack. :o
Title: Re: Post by: byzan a4 on November 29, 2014, 06:12:30 AM The vvt on k04 cars is for spool etc and only emissions on k03 as std. The change point can be changed but it can't be altered incrementally sadly. I have thought of using a vvt mechanism from an alt engine to see if it's adjustable like a tfsi one as they mechanically look the same
Title: Re: Has anyone played with camshaft settings? Post by: 4ringpieces on November 29, 2014, 11:09:04 AM Run on dyno with vvt active all time
Then run on dyno again with vvt deactivated. Where the lines cross is where you should have the change over point. Only really moves with cams and/or intake/exhaust manifold changes Title: Re: Post by: byzan a4 on December 01, 2014, 02:44:34 AM They will cross at 5252. Some cars like it later depending on spec
Title: Re: Re: Re: Has anyone played with camshaft settings? Post by: byzan a4 on December 01, 2014, 02:45:27 AM Run on dyno with vvt active all time re reading this. Do you mean where they cross with runs overlayedThen run on dyno again with vvt deactivated. Where the lines cross is where you should have the change over point. Only really moves with cams and/or intake/exhaust manifold changes |