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Noob Zone => Noob Questions => Topic started by: 04 Beetle on March 16, 2015, 10:21:00 AM



Title: Deciphering SKC from cluster...
Post by: 04 Beetle on March 16, 2015, 10:21:00 AM
Hi everyone –

I have spent hours reading through all the pages of this forum; it is very intriguing information and a lot more than I had bargained for to simply create a duplicate key! I had a question regarding retrieving the SKC code from an 04 Beetle.

Looking through ddillenger posts, I was able to find a similar situation by reading the eeprom from an A4 (http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=3057.0). I’m pretty sure I am understanding this correctly; that the SKC is embedded into line 0x32 and 0x33. Question is, using Vag Commander 3.6, I would read the eeprom from the cluster, correct? Locating the embedded SKC for my 04 Beetle would be the same as the A4, correct?

I apologize for my dumb questions…I have plenty of others, but will save them for another topic! ☺

Cheers!


Title: Re: Deciphering SKC from cluster...
Post by: k0mpresd on March 16, 2015, 10:56:18 AM
beetle is not the same.


Title: Re: Deciphering SKC from cluster...
Post by: 04 Beetle on March 16, 2015, 02:32:18 PM
beetle is not the same.

Shoot...there goes my idea. Any recommendations on how to achieve the same? Different fields?

Thanks!


Title: Re: Deciphering SKC from cluster...
Post by: k0mpresd on March 16, 2015, 05:26:51 PM
find someone with knowledge so you dont kill that cluster.


Title: Re: Deciphering SKC from cluster...
Post by: 04 Beetle on March 16, 2015, 10:30:26 PM
find someone with knowledge so you dont kill that cluster.

How about this...I have a KKL VAG-COM 409.1 cable on the way. Couldn't I just run the vag-tacho off that cable and read the SKC, and while I am it, program the keys, as well? Sounds too simple, but please correct me if I am missing something. I am going off information found in this thread: http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=2963.15

Thank you!


Title: Re: Deciphering SKC from cluster...
Post by: aef on March 17, 2015, 03:41:15 AM
What engine is in there? Maybe its easier to read the eprom from your ecu. Thats the same SKC i guess.


Title: Re: Deciphering SKC from cluster...
Post by: 04 Beetle on March 17, 2015, 08:03:15 AM
What engine is in there? Maybe its easier to read the eprom from your ecu. Thats the same SKC i guess.

I have the 2.0 (BGD) engine. It is a 2004 Beetle.

Cheers!


Title: Re: Deciphering SKC from cluster...
Post by: turboat on March 17, 2015, 08:37:26 AM
I have vauge memories of someone having real issues with a Beetle, as it ran a different immo chip and none of the usual tools work for it, be worth doing a search.


Title: Re: Deciphering SKC from cluster...
Post by: 04 Beetle on March 17, 2015, 08:53:53 AM
I have vauge memories of someone having real issues with a Beetle, as it ran a different immo chip and none of the usual tools work for it, be worth doing a search.

Thanks...I am pretty sure the usual tools work for this one. It is megamos 48 chip, if I remember correctly (going off memory).

Would my idea of using the KKL VAG-COM 409.1 cable with vag-tacho work at all?

Cheers!


Title: Re: Deciphering SKC from cluster...
Post by: k0mpresd on March 17, 2015, 11:58:34 AM
you can do whatever you want. it is very easy to brick those MM clusters.


Title: Re: Deciphering SKC from cluster...
Post by: 04 Beetle on March 17, 2015, 04:46:34 PM
you can do whatever you want. it is very easy to brick those MM clusters.

Any constructive alternative you suggest?

Cheers!


Title: Re: Deciphering SKC from cluster...
Post by: turboat on March 18, 2015, 02:38:08 AM
Read it from the ecu?


Title: Re: Deciphering SKC from cluster...
Post by: 04 Beetle on March 18, 2015, 09:47:30 AM
Read it from the ecu?

What would be the most efficient and best tool to utilize for this? Thank you for putting up with all my questions...dont' want to mess anything up along the way! :)


Title: Re: Deciphering SKC from cluster...
Post by: turboat on March 18, 2015, 12:13:24 PM
argdub's tool is used for me7.1/7.5, but as above, Im not sure if this works with beetles.

K0mpressed - am I right in thinking that this will not work for a beetle?


Title: Re: Deciphering SKC from cluster...
Post by: k0mpresd on March 18, 2015, 01:39:57 PM
its just me7. probably 7.1.1 though.
i most definitely would not be doing anything with a clone VT on that MM cluster.


Title: Re: Deciphering SKC from cluster...
Post by: ddillenger on March 18, 2015, 02:20:38 PM
Bootmode the eeprom from the ecu. That's the safest bet.

TT/Beetle MM clusters are a dangerous proposition, even with real tools sometimes.


Title: Re: Deciphering SKC from cluster...
Post by: 04 Beetle on March 18, 2015, 03:06:19 PM
Thank you, gents, for all the help thus far. I am glad I asked before doing something stupid and bricking my dash.

If I am understanding everything correctly here (excuse me if I don't make sense):
1. Bootmode the eeprom from the ecu with argdub's tool 7.5?
2. Read the SKC from the ecu under what fields?

Again, sorry for all the questions...it is making sense, though! :-)

Cheers!


Title: Re: Deciphering SKC from cluster...
Post by: 04 Beetle on March 18, 2015, 03:18:17 PM
Just a brain fart...what if I only use a clone VT to read the SKC from the dash. My intention was not on utilizing VT to program the immo, but just read the SKC. I was set on using VCDS to perform any type of programming.

Does that minimize my exposure of bricking the dash? :-[


Title: Re: Deciphering SKC from cluster...
Post by: turboat on March 18, 2015, 03:42:30 PM
Clone VT is a pos, as a last resort maybe try reading, but I would do as dd suggested first.


Title: Re: Deciphering SKC from cluster...
Post by: 04 Beetle on March 18, 2015, 08:38:55 PM
Clone VT is a pos, as a last resort maybe try reading, but I would do as dd suggested first.

I will do as ddillenger stated, thank you! One problem; what software do I use and how what fields do I read the SKC from?

Cheers!


Title: Re: Deciphering SKC from cluster...
Post by: aef on March 19, 2015, 12:36:50 AM
What engine is in there? Maybe its easier to read the eprom from your ecu. Thats the same SKC i guess.

use this: http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=1168.0title=

Read should work in car without bootmode.
me7_95040.exe --OBD -p 3 -b 57600 -r readout.bin

Use a dumb KKL cable


Title: Re: Deciphering SKC from cluster...
Post by: k0mpresd on March 19, 2015, 08:04:40 AM
use this: http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=1168.0title=

Read should work in car without bootmode.
me7_95040.exe --OBD -p 3 -b 57600 -r readout.bin

Use a dumb KKL cable

711 does not use a 95040. (im assuming this is a 2.0l beetle btw).


Title: Re: Deciphering SKC from cluster...
Post by: 04 Beetle on March 19, 2015, 11:06:03 AM
711 does not use a 95040. (im assuming this is a 2.0l beetle btw).

Yes...this is an 04 Beetle 2.0.

Thanks!