NefMoto

You are starting from the wrong file.
There is a factory Stage 3 file, it's called an RS4.

MUCH better place to start with, as many things are already pre-calibrated correctly.

So as a base we are talking about swapping maf setting for hitachi and scaling it back down for the time being, The injector settings and the 2.0 coil changes ive made? What else to get it flashed and at least running in the car? Thanks for the input. I guess I wanted to stick with the mbox because it was strong and im comfortable changing things as I upgrade.

To run 551K on an S4:
1. Swap MAF settings
2. Swap TB maps
3. Code out 2nd power output stage diagnosis for VVT (RS4 has two separate outputs).
4. Code out power output stage diagnosis for N335
5. Raise NMAXTOL, or your RPM will be limited (no oil temp in S4 ecu).
6. Disable immo if your car did not come with one.

I think that's about it. Rest is usual tuning.

The point of this thread is to learn to tune stage 3 from a stock mbox though
Sorry for the delay once again i bent a wheel over the weekend and had the pleasure of my hood cable snapping so while i figure out how to open my hood again... Glad to see other info is being added here

Also, there is no published complete kp or xdf for k, and no exhaustive, explicit guide for doing the things prj mentioned.

I'd also say that the things he mentioned are not all inclusive as well. In addition, you bring base boost into the mix.

I looked into the k box after the suggestion and while not experienced by any means I'm much less intimidated by the mbox ive been working with and ill probably stay there as I went thru the stage one thread and several tweaks from there to end up where I am now so I feel invested at this point. Bummer about the hood cable... I had the hood fly up on my first 2.7t and trash it and the windshield 50 miles after I bought it... :-\ so after putting in the ev14's(550cc) im running rich and will need to adjust accordingly but think that a larger maf will help lean it out a bit if not get it too lean and have to adjust richer. My wideband wont calibrate and ive gotta find another one. Timing pull is down to 3 degrees thou...

MAF resizing is not used to fix lean or rich conditions.

At this point, timing should be stock, or more retarded than stock at peak load. You work on fueling first, then boost, then timing.

Yes, just have to use your head a little... oh wait.

P.S.
KP/xdf is not a problem because there is full damos for 551F, which takes very little time to line up to 551K.
The end stage deletes can be done by copy pasting ESKONF from m-box.
The TB maps and the MAF maps are once again copy paste.

The only thing that takes some effort is disabling base boost, if you don't want to tune that way.
This can be done by either flattening maps or alternatively doing a quick asm hack.

There is nothing difficult whatsoever, but of course it requires at least some idea of what you are doing.
The hardest thing is the 5120 mod, that IMO is required for Stage 3 with meth, as otherwise I don't see you getting 500 crank hp.

This is very iinteresting.
Would you point out which maps are for TB and diagnose coding?


And there is pretty good 551K XDF  out and kp as well.

TB KFWDKMSN, KFMSNWDK, WDKUGDN...
Diagnosis coding look at my post above.

Thanx a bunch.

Mocke: you should definitely stick to M

I don't think he needs to when his car is already running a 5120 551K file.
Which incidentally is what his car came with from the factory.

I was more referring to his tuning abilities, unless somebody is willing to do a LOT of work for him.

Let me see.
Options:
a) modify my 551K tune.
Or
b) take a 551M file, try to SOMEHOW make it work on an RS4, then retune from scratch?

Am I the only one who thinks a) is easier?

I had no idea Mocke was running your file. Generally, as a rule of thumb, we try to discourage others here from modifiying other's files, and advise them to start from scratch, for several reasons (I'm sure you already know these, I don't want to beat a dead horse).

a) ISN'T easier if you expect him to understand the reasoning behind each and every one of your changes..

First of all i own an RS4 hens 551K file.
Second of all i am not running nobodys file. But my own. 
Third - Nyet you are a computer warroior. More power too you. You are the best - you Prick!!@
And leave me out your catfight.

Wow...that escalet quicly   :o


I think it was just a misunderstanding...

Thank you Ddellinger. And thank everyone else for their input as well... I don't intend to use the maf scaling to lean out my A/F even thou reading thru my post it would appear as thou that was my plan. I am excited to be progressing and probably skipped writing the part where I'm going to tune my A/F to be suitable and then go to a bigger MAF. I know I'll likely have to retune them with it but I figure its good practice. I am disappointed in the general " I'm smart and your too dumb to be doing this" attitude I see thrown around here a lot. We all started somewhere eh? I figure that if I'm capable of doing my own ko4 install with timing belt, cam chains, and god know how many odds and ends I dealt with getting it put together then I'm competent enough to at least learn and build a tune. I wonder how many people are scared to ask questions because they get flamed every time someone who reads it decides " what a dumbass" and responds in a way that makes the op feel like they aren't capable. Now I understand that some of us truly aren't capable and that's fine too but who am I to decide that for them?

Tuning abilities? Mocke has Control, especially on the K-Box. He has helped me a lot. No one that I knew before could help me get my setup work and I certaintly couldn't do it good myself, well I got it running but not even Close to what it does now. Other "pro tuners" tried at first and they couldn't even get the freaking wg's to work always blaming my hardware.

The car is now moving really good and drives like a dream after Mockes help. I have also learned a lot from him, as I think these communitys are all about. But as it is now, i dont like asking questions on a forum in fear of just being bashed as an idiot.. We are all on different stages with the same enthusiasm for these cars.

Most of you guys has been helpful to me, also you nyet, so i am not yelling at anybody :)

Thank you a bunch. We are all here to learn. And all the help is appreciated.
Robsa6:  Just do your thing man. Do not let anybody discourage you. You will get there.
Cheers.

 ::)

Here's a list of maps I copied over from my previous m-box based bigish turbo file with a lot of success so far. Also included are some necessary maps for s4 throttle body. I'll post a "base bin" if there is interest.

Looking forward to updates. 


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Griff should have cam switch-over scheme for s4 cams on k-box as well.