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Title: Is these maps the same? Picture attacht
Post by: madeindk on June 18, 2015, 04:13:05 AM
Im trying to learn how to find maps, from a damos.
They are not 100% the same, so i have to dig.
Are these 2 the same?


Title: Re: Is these maps the same? Picture attacht
Post by: tjwasiak on June 18, 2015, 05:45:49 AM
If I were you I would use text mode to compare maps in 2 different files. 2D mode is helpful when you are looking for a map of a well-known shape but you do not know where is it located in that exact dump (for example torque limiter in Bosch diesel ECUs).


Title: Re: Is these maps the same? Picture attacht
Post by: madeindk on June 18, 2015, 06:53:23 AM
If I were you I would use text mode to compare maps in 2 different files. 2D mode is helpful when you are looking for a map of a well-known shape but you do not know where is it located in that exact dump (for example torque limiter in Bosch diesel ECUs).

But the values aint the same in those 2 - Is it still the same numbers in the hex?


Title: Re: Is these maps the same? Picture attacht
Post by: Lost on June 18, 2015, 07:00:40 AM
Get them lined up windows connected in text mode. See if they match. Transfer map and sanity check it. 3D mode should be the same now.


Title: Re: Is these maps the same? Picture attacht
Post by: madeindk on June 18, 2015, 07:16:33 AM
Get them lined up windows connected in text mode. See if they match. Transfer map and sanity check it. 3D mode should be the same now.

They should match, even if the data inside the maps aint the same?


Title: Re: Is these maps the same? Picture attacht
Post by: madeindk on June 18, 2015, 07:50:00 AM
They should match, even if the data inside the maps aint the same?

So, these 2 are the same, yes?
Im going insane soon :)


Title: Re: Is these maps the same? Picture attacht
Post by: tjwasiak on June 18, 2015, 07:57:13 AM
Different value is always different value - it does not matter if you look at it in binary, octal, hexadecimal or decimal system.

You should use common sense to tell if those 2 are same maps or not. To figure it out you can compare how other data fits. In your situation you have same address in 2 files - I would just compare if known maps are located at same address. Sometimes you can find offset between 2 files... It depends what are you comparing.


Title: Re: Is these maps the same? Picture attacht
Post by: madeindk on June 18, 2015, 08:18:42 AM
Different value is always different value - it does not matter if you look at it in binary, octal, hexadecimal or decimal system.

You should use common sense to tell if those 2 are same maps or not. To figure it out you can compare how other data fits. In your situation you have same address in 2 files - I would just compare if known maps are located at same address. Sometimes you can find offset between 2 files... It depends what are you comparing.

Thanks!

Found my first map.
A simple one, but thats a start.
I think my problem was, that i was trying to find KFZWOP from me 7.5 ecu. Dont seem like its possible


Title: Re: Is these maps the same? Picture attacht
Post by: carsey on June 18, 2015, 06:42:43 PM
Why not get a defined OLS and compare them...then transfer the map data over once the 2 dumps are correctly aligned.   I cant see them being miles out between different software versions.


Title: Re: Is these maps the same? Picture attacht
Post by: madeindk on June 19, 2015, 12:10:09 AM
Why not get a defined OLS and compare them...then transfer the map data over once the 2 dumps are correctly aligned.   I cant see them being miles out between different software versions.

you mean the 7.5?
or another 9.1 and compare with mine?


Title: Re: Is these maps the same? Picture attacht
Post by: Beaviz on June 19, 2015, 12:46:40 AM
There is a fully defined MED9 file available in the forums somewhere. I usually use that as a basis when searching for undefined maps.


Title: Re: Is these maps the same? Picture attacht
Post by: madeindk on June 19, 2015, 01:35:30 AM
There is a fully defined MED9 file available in the forums somewhere. I usually use that as a basis when searching for undefined maps.

I got that one - But when im trying to compare and add the kfzwop, its just looking wrong. both axis and the numbers - Not totally wrong but enough, but im quite sure its the right place. Im just not sure how to get it to fit the ecu


Title: Re: Is these maps the same? Picture attacht
Post by: madeindk on June 19, 2015, 01:52:34 AM
I got that one - But when im trying to compare and add the kfzwop, its just looking wrong. both axis and the numbers - Not totally wrong but enough, but im quite sure its the right place. Im just not sure how to get it to fit the ecu

See pics

Would be awesome if someone would show me on teamviewer how to get the fit, anyone? :)

Im one of those, if i see something one time live, i can do it


Title: Re: Sv: Is these maps the same? Picture attacht
Post by: technic on June 19, 2015, 02:17:55 AM
It would be better for you to spend another days or two figuring it out by yourself actually. It ain't that hard really.

As already said, do a sanity check on the data afterwards.


Title: Re: Sv: Is these maps the same? Picture attacht
Post by: technic on June 19, 2015, 02:21:06 AM
Worst case would be if your axis definitions are totally off compared to the damos. Then you might need to do some disassembly if you want to be 100 percent sure.


Title: Re: Sv: Is these maps the same? Picture attacht
Post by: madeindk on June 19, 2015, 03:56:05 AM
Worst case would be if your axis definitions are totally off compared to the damos. Then you might need to do some disassembly if you want to be 100 percent sure.

IF i get the new map to fit the damos. Would the axis look right from the start?


Title: Re: Is these maps the same? Picture attacht
Post by: tjwasiak on June 19, 2015, 04:14:04 AM
Keep in mind sometimes map are differently sized when you compare files from the same ECU family - for example KFTARX in 06A906032FC is smaller than in 8N0906018CB and also axis stored elsewhere.


Title: Re: Is these maps the same? Picture attacht
Post by: madeindk on June 19, 2015, 05:36:27 AM
Keep in mind sometimes map are differently sized when you compare files from the same ECU family - for example KFTARX in 06A906032FC is smaller than in 8N0906018CB and also axis stored elsewhere.

It just feels like im 100% stuck.
It MUST be the map i found here.
But i can't save it, i can't do nothing.


Title: Re: Is these maps the same? Picture attacht
Post by: madeindk on June 20, 2015, 06:45:05 AM
It just feels like im 100% stuck.
It MUST be the map i found here.
But i can't save it, i can't do nothing.

F... sake

I cant save the map. Why?


Title: Re: Is these maps the same? Picture attacht
Post by: tjwasiak on June 20, 2015, 07:02:25 AM
You must have selected also other byte which does not belong to this map. Try to reselect it once again.


Title: Re: Is these maps the same? Picture attacht
Post by: madeindk on June 20, 2015, 07:44:34 AM
You must have selected also other byte which does not belong to this map. Try to reselect it once again.

Got it! I think :)
But now i got 1 spike when im looking at the 3d model. If i remove 1 byte in the hex, i cant save it.
How can i then get rid of it?


Title: Re: Is these maps the same? Picture attacht
Post by: tjwasiak on June 20, 2015, 08:09:41 AM
Are you sure this map contains 8 bit data?
You can always change size and address in map properties - you might have shifted the map one (or a few) byte/-s. It is important to use proper number of rows and columns - when you browse the file you can set row length using m and w keys. Or you can always select just 2 bytes and then apply correct map size/data organization within map properties window.


Title: Re: Is these maps the same? Picture attacht
Post by: madeindk on June 20, 2015, 08:22:31 AM
Are you sure this map contains 8 bit data?
You can always change size and address in map properties - you might have shifted the map one (or a few) byte/-s. It is important to use proper number of rows and columns - when you browse the file you can set row length using m and w keys. Or you can always select just 2 bytes and then apply correct map size/data organization within map properties window.

It should be 8 bit, according to the damos i got.
Im trying to see if i can figure it out.
How do i even know the axis data? Or how do i figure out what to do with those


Title: Re: Is these maps the same? Picture attacht
Post by: tjwasiak on June 20, 2015, 08:28:45 AM
You should find proper axis comparing to DAMOS you have :D
Or you can disassembly the file to be sure you are using proper axis...

To be honest you should first read some WinOLS guides as it seems for me it still gives you trouble working with it.


Title: Re: Is these maps the same? Picture attacht
Post by: madeindk on June 20, 2015, 08:55:29 AM
You should find proper axis comparing to DAMOS you have :D
Or you can disassembly the file to be sure you are using proper axis...

To be honest you should first read some WinOLS guides as it seems for me it still gives you trouble working with it.
Yes its abit hard.
I just started, and totally from the scratch.
Disassembly the file to find the proper axis? How can that be done?


Title: Re: Is these maps the same? Picture attacht
Post by: tjwasiak on June 20, 2015, 09:26:53 AM
Read threads posted in Reverse engineering subforum. Those should shed some light but it is really hard way to find them.


Title: Re: Is these maps the same? Picture attacht
Post by: madeindk on June 20, 2015, 03:03:24 PM
Read threads posted in Reverse engineering subforum. Those should shed some light but it is really hard way to find them.
I see. But if its the only choice i got to be sure its correct, ill have to give it a shoot :)


Title: Re: Is these maps the same? Picture attacht
Post by: madeindk on June 22, 2015, 09:08:14 AM
Read threads posted in Reverse engineering subforum. Those should shed some light but it is really hard way to find them.

Do i even HAVE to find the axis and fill them, IF i know what they should be like?
I mean, could it just be 0, and still be working as it should be if they was found?


Title: Re: Is these maps the same? Picture attacht
Post by: tjwasiak on June 22, 2015, 10:30:11 AM
Axis values shown in editing software are for you - to be sure you are changing proper values or/and to be changed when needed.


Title: Re: Is these maps the same? Picture attacht
Post by: madeindk on June 24, 2015, 05:19:57 AM
Axis values shown in editing software are for you - to be sure you are changing proper values or/and to be changed when needed.

This map cwsawe
How the heck do i find that?
Its only 1 byte


Title: Re: Is these maps the same? Picture attacht
Post by: madeindk on June 25, 2015, 11:34:36 PM
Axis values shown in editing software are for you - to be sure you are changing proper values or/and to be changed when needed.
tjwasaik! I wanna thank you VERY much for your time and effort to help me out.
Im now finish with my very first thing in a ecu.
Small thing but its not easy from the scratch.
My car is now banging and popping like crazy when i lift off the foot or shifting gear :)
Now i wanna try to see if i can find any information about antilag and lc maps, and see if i can find those.