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Title: Standard MAP with Induction and Downpipe (Bosch ME9 - Volvo t5 C30)
Post by: ugan.git on September 05, 2015, 12:17:30 PM
Hi All,

I have a Volvo C30 T5. Im planning to do induction and downpipe and run off the standard ECU map. I plan to do software tweak but in the future. How effective will the car run with the hardware upgrades using the standard map?

Thanks,

Ugan (all the way from South Africa)


Title: Re: Standard MAP with Induction and Downpipe (Bosch ME9 - Volvo t5 C30)
Post by: dream3R on December 01, 2015, 04:30:02 PM
Turbo will spool a little quicker and back pressure reduced......

Depending on the calibrations you might see overboost or spikes.



Title: Re: Standard MAP with Induction and Downpipe (Bosch ME9 - Volvo t5 C30)
Post by: prj on December 01, 2015, 04:39:21 PM
Induction pipe will probably reduce hp. Only do it if you want more noise.


Title: Re: Standard MAP with Induction and Downpipe (Bosch ME9 - Volvo t5 C30)
Post by: dream3R on December 01, 2015, 04:42:51 PM
Induction pipe will probably reduce hp. Only do it if you want more noise.

missed that part lol, you talking bout maf flow etc yeah?


Title: Re: Standard MAP with Induction and Downpipe (Bosch ME9 - Volvo t5 C30)
Post by: prj on December 02, 2015, 01:01:54 AM
missed that part lol, you talking bout maf flow etc yeah?

Not only MAF readings, but also the fact that usually a cone filter is strapped on, that has a much smaller surface area than the factory filter.
Also, usually the factory airbox induction is carefully optimized to ensure good cool air flow and minimum noise.

When you are replacing that with a shiny pipe with a tiny filter you are not making anything better.

This is all measurable. All you need is a vac gauge and connect it between filter and turbo. Then you know how much restriction it is causing.
Anything less than 0.15 bar is not worth looking at whatsoever.


Title: Re: Standard MAP with Induction and Downpipe (Bosch ME9 - Volvo t5 C30)
Post by: adam- on December 02, 2015, 01:07:10 AM
No filter > filter.


Title: Re: Standard MAP with Induction and Downpipe (Bosch ME9 - Volvo t5 C30)
Post by: dream3R on December 02, 2015, 01:55:33 AM
No filter > filter.

No filter == turbo issues in the long run.


Title: Re: Standard MAP with Induction and Downpipe (Bosch ME9 - Volvo t5 C30)
Post by: dream3R on December 02, 2015, 02:02:07 AM
Not only MAF readings, but also the fact that usually a cone filter is strapped on, that has a much smaller surface area than the factory filter.
Also, usually the factory airbox induction is carefully optimized to ensure good cool air flow and minimum noise.

When you are replacing that with a shiny pipe with a tiny filter you are not making anything better.

This is all measurable. All you need is a vac gauge and connect it between filter and turbo. Then you know how much restriction it is causing.
Anything less than 0.15 bar is not worth looking at whatsoever.

Yes I know Dmitri, I was just making sure I was on the right page mate.  Air turbulence will also affect it, in-fact the maf curve, offsets before it, etc,  will be junk, especially on a narrow band car.

There was some horseshit about ME7 needing exctly 3 dyno runs before it 'wrote the flash' or someshit on another forum, it annoyed me....

0.15 bar - is that your findings or Graham Bell or similar?  Genuinely interested if you took the time.


Title: Re: Standard MAP with Induction and Downpipe (Bosch ME9 - Volvo t5 C30)
Post by: adam- on December 02, 2015, 03:14:12 AM
No filter == turbo issues in the long run.

I know, I was kidding.  I ran no filters on a bike carb'd Polo for over a year and a half and the bores had light scoring from deposits.  Assuming it was because I had no filters, could have been because of piston slap.


Title: Re: Standard MAP with Induction and Downpipe (Bosch ME9 - Volvo t5 C30)
Post by: dream3R on December 02, 2015, 08:00:03 PM
I know, I was kidding.  I ran no filters on a bike carb'd Polo for over a year and a half and the bores had light scoring from deposits.  Assuming it was because I had no filters, could have been because of piston slap.

It was a pretty literal statement x > y lol sorry :)