NefMoto

what sort of hardware do you guy suggest for these's ECU's? i was thinking both over OBD and bootmode. i have a few engine harnesses i can cut up to make bench flash harnesses so thats no problem. lets see what you guys think.

i use x17 on medc17.

MPPS

is the X17 one of the programmers that uses BDM? i have an MPPS V13.02 clone now to mess with and i like it but it will not read a single MK5 VW i have tried it on other than a really early MK5 2.5 jetta that was still ME7 but if its MED9 forget it. i know clones dont always work right but i wanted to try it before i invest in the real thing.

i tried to read a 2010 jetta TDI EDC17 car last night with the MPPS cable too and it get like a 10mb file out of it. all the files i see posted here are only around 2mb so something is up there too.

i may pick up an MPPS V16 clone and finally another cheap vag 409 so i can use all the tools you guys created for ME7.

i will look into the X17, from a quick google search it looks like a fairly useful tool.

The real MPPS is wonderful for MED9. Never a single issue. It's also wonderful for bootmode operations with tricore. It's the best all around, most affordable single tool you could buy.

X17 is great, I may get one, but it has subscriptions, multiple configurations, etc. Lot more pricy.

I use ktag and kess master v2.0x. For the price they work like a charm

no dsg with mpps. you can only sell them half a tune.  :P

this was a terrible idea.
stop until you have a clue what youre doing.
youre going to brick something and not be able to recover.

YET.

Operative word.

MPPS or Kess have been working for me great ;D

so many options out there! i guess the hardware choice is all in what you really want to do. im honestly anticipating the day when someone on here just gets fed up with all these different tools and just creates an open source tool that's part tony's flasher, part launch control/NLS patcher, has a GUI verson of ME7logger and basically every tool thats been created on this forum for ME7 along with newer ECU's in the mix. its only a matter of time before it happens but for now i need to look at the other tools out there because i would like to progress beyond ME7 and start to learn more about the newer ECU's because i am going to be swapping my 1992 GTI with a 2.0 FSI swap from a 2008 GTI. i managed to grab a whole wrecked but running and driving MK5 GTI at a crash auction for a very generous price and i feel MK2 GTI + 2.0 FSI with basic bolt on's to start = one mean little car on the street.

really though i want to be able to dabble with the ECU in that car after its swapped plus i would like to start to collect the flashes from the TDI's that are under this BS VW is into right now because i have several friends who own these cars and dont want their cars changed if VW mandates the cars to be reflashed as part of their recall but if they do my friends just want me to dump the original flash right back on the car after VW puts their crappy flash on the car. if any of you guys own or have driven a 2.0 TDI you'll agree that these cars run plenty good in stock form!

Not going to happen. The eurotuner culture is totally toxic. Nobody has any interest in cooperating towards any common goal. Anybody who has any technical knowledge is completely uninterested in sharing information.

It is always been that way, and will always be that way.

Nef is an outlier. A grand failed experiment, IMO.

there is a much larger, assumed to be rather secretive market for protocols being leaked and developed.
its not a coincidence that most tool makers all release the same protocol at the same time.

Toxic cartel.

big $$ business. lots of leaks from bosch i assume.

it gets frustrating, especially seeing people on here, that dont understand how sensitive, complicated, and complex some of these newer ecus are.
most require a professional tool. like the locked UDS cp44, that required downloading a patched vw updated file and flashing to unlock. then read and write was possible.
think youre going to do that with your $90 china scrap clone? not a chance.

I disagree wholeheartedly because there is a culture of us coming about who became what we are through the help of others and we won't forget that.

I have been dealing with a lot of BS lately on med9 because certain companies have decided to go aBandonware on their flashes that cost $2,500 that they sold two r8 customers over the last few years.

Even though I had to pay for a lot of the information I now have on them I couldn't have done it without the help of others and I have full intentions of releasing a lot of the info that I got my hands on the same way people released the info they got their hands on that allowed me to even start tuning b5 S4 to begin with. That's what broke me into the euro tuning game and not just being a flash dealer anymore.

Down with the toxic cartel!

very informal guys! i understand there is sort of a war per say between bosch and the tuner world. its sort of like the war between apple and the jailbreakers lol. i do know that bosch very heavily guards their ECU documentation and data as well because i've tried to purchase documents from them before and they get extremely unhappy when it comes to being bothered with selling that stuff. really a bosch employee must have to be pretty high up on the food chain there to get access to that stuff because i have a family member who works at the automotive research facility in pittsburgh and lets just say he cant even get a peek at any of this stuff. i wish he could just empty the servers and filing cabinets lol.

i was thinking about the whole VW TDI scandal here in the USA and it seems that tuner protection came into play around the same time their modified software started. what i thought would be funny is if the US government somehow forced bosch to make ECU documentation public somehow so that any future attempts at anything like this could be monitored. i know its a pipe dream and it will never happen but the screwy government would do something like this just so they could control more and more of what goes on in this country. by the way im all for what bosch/VW did to them cars, i think its great and they should be left alone as their not hurting anything. assholes with douched out cummins/duramax/powerjokes and their 6in stacks blowing soot everywhere should be the primary targets.

Excellent point.. but there is a flip side to this.. anything that makes it easier for people to reverse engineer ECU code also makes it easier for them to add in emissions hacks in the aftermarket... which could be the death knoll for EVERYTHING aftermarket, long term.