NefMoto

The versions 1.8.0.0 and newer of the NefMoto software currently have three features that are locked out until you purchase a premium license. The three features are fast flash writing, fast flash reading, and DTC info decoding. If you are able to perform the normal full flash write, full flash read, and DTC operations successfully on your ECU, then the premium versions will also work. The fast flash writing and fast flash reading operations work the same way as the regular free versions.

The fast flash writing premium feature allows flashing only the memory sectors that have changed instead of all memory sectors. Fast writing programs the flash memory in about 1 minute compared to about 4 minutes for writing all memory sectors.

The fast flash reading premium feature is able to read the ECU flash memory faster by reading only sectors that are not blank. Fast reading is able to read an ECU in about 2 minutes compared to about 4 minutes or reading all memory sectors. There will be a small update coming shortly that will allow the fast flash operation to only read memory sectors that are different from a reference. This should allow the flash to be read about 1 minute when using a reference file that is similar.

The DTC info decoding premium feature will show you the description of the DTC, in addition to the numeric code that the non-premium DTC reading shows. DTCs are "Device Trouble Codes" also known as "Error Codes" or "Fault Codes". Future versions will also convert the DTC status field to a human readable description.

The premium feature license for fast flash writing, fast flash reading, and decoding of DTC info is $50 US.

The license gets tied to the hardware ID inside your FTDI USB cable. If you ever lose the cable, you lose the license. There is no way of offering refunds for licenses, because once the license is created there is no way to take it back. If your cable stops working, you can send me the cable for destruction, and IF I can verify that the cable sent to me is the licensed cable, I will ATTEMPT to issue a replacement license.

To create a license file for you, I need the information from your cable. First, plug in your FTDI USB cable and run the NefMoto software. Then under the “Licensing” menu click on “Check if FTDI Devices Support Licensing”. If your cable supports licensing, then under the "Licensing" menu, click on "Save Device Info to File". This will save all of the info about the FTDI USB cable to a new file. Email the USB cable info file to sales@nefariousmotorsports.com along with any comments, questions, etc. A PayPal invoice will be sent back to your email address. Once the PayPal invoice has been paid, a license file will be emailed to you.

To import a license, go to the "Licenses" menu, and then click the "Import a License File" option. Then select your license file. Fast reading, fast writing, and DTC decoding should now all work as long as you have the licensed USB cable plugged in. If your licensed USB cable is not plugged in, then the premium features will remain disabled. For the premium features to be enabled, your cable must be listed in the “FTDI Devices” drop down menu in the NefMoto software.

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Perfect... you will be getting my email sometime this week.

This is great Tony.. Its about time you make some money from your hard work.

I can attest that the fast writing is truly fast.  ;)

Strangely enough, my generic cable which works perfectly does not seem to support premium features according to the software.

Is this a bug, am I missing something, or am I SOL?

I think you need to read this thread http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php/topic,325.0title,.html (http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php/topic,325.0title,.html)

So I installed the newest Nefmoto... and then went to check if my cable supported licensing, and the software says no.. but if I hover over the usb cable selection box, it says it does...

Also if it does happen to be that my cable really isn't supported, are the ones listed in the software thread 100% supported?

Screen shot:
(http://i54.tinypic.com/2n0pl09.jpg)

My cable "looks" exactly like the ones pictured in that thread. I am going to hold out and say this is a software bug...

I sent Tony an email, but I guess he is busy right now.

If no serial number is showing, I would bet it's either a driver issue, or the software is generating a false positive on cable compatibility.  The license is based on the ftdi chip's unique serial number - if that's not enumerating, then it has no way to be licensed.

The tool tip that says your cable supports licensing is a bug. I renamed one of the properties in the FTDI Device object and forgot to update the data binding in the user interface. If you run "Check if my cable supports licensing" and it says no, then it doesn't. The NefMoto licenses are based on the FTDI ChipID which is unique to every FTDI device. The problem is that the cheaper OBD cables are using the cheapest FTDI devices you can get which don't support FTDI ChipIDs.

That thread has the best info for choosing a cable. Many of the cables look the same but are completely different inside. I have personally bought and tested about 5 different cables. Even the sellers of these cables don't know what FTDI chip is inside. I found no way to tell what FTDI chip you are getting inside the cable before you order them. The two sellers I list in the recommended thread I found are selling cables with the FTDI 232R chip, which has more options and supports FTDI Chip ID.

Sorry if this was mentioned somewhere else, but should a genuine VCDS (vag-com) cable allow licensing?

Genuine VAG-COM cables are recommended and will work with licensing. I don't recommend the Ross-Tech KII cables though because they don't support proper dumb mode pass through.

Thanks, Tony....Something I saw on the VCDS site that made me wonder..."Notes:

    This interface requires a special driver to be installed on your PC.  It does not emulate a COM port.   That means this interface will not work with any other software besides VCDS."

I have the hex-can-usb.

I own a HEX-CAN-USB myself and use it for testing at home with the NefMoto software. The NefMoto software uses the FTDI SDK to communicate directly with the USB chip and does not require COM ports.

Yeah I knew it worked, just wanted to point out that funny sentence on their site haha. I'm the one who almost always has to put on a charger to read files and that's the cable I use. I seem to be the only one so I thought it was cable related. Most of the cars I read are me7.5's in the Golf and Jetta.

I need to order a new cable :-[

At least NefMoto premium features only require cables that are $15 from eBay. ;D

Yea. I ordered it yesterday. I look forward to buying a premium license. Thanks Tony.

I appreciate everyone that is buying the premium licenses. I try my best to make the software fully functional for free, and run the website without advertising, etc.

I will as soon as I get a win7 laptop (or you finish the xp port), whichever comes first.

Currently shopping for anything 13" and at least 1600x900

you need to add a 'donate' button somewhere on the site.  i know people want to kick in a few $$.  i know i get a lot of value from all of your work!

The main reason I don't have a donate button is due to what happened to George Hotz over the PS3 hacking lawsuit. He was in a worse legal situation because he accepted payment via donations for circumventing PS3 security. I don't accept donations or offer advertising because I want it to be very clear that I don't profit from anything on this site that may potentially break some law.

Yup. I do the same on s4wiki for the same reason.

I would pay in a shot, but I don't like it locked to the cable.  The cables are cheap, and I use lots, they get a hammering.

Rick

I was worried about binding to a cable, but then I remembered I could buy cheap USB cables from monoprice and replace the cable if something ever happened to it.

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=103&cp_id=10303&cs_id=1030307&p_id=5459&seq=1&format=2

If your licensed cable ever stops working, then send it to me, and if I can verify it is the cable the license is for, then I can issue you a replacement license.

So my netbook is pissing me off and not showing my cable as supporting premium features - it flashes and reads fine with no issues, but shows the cable as unsupported. 

Ironically the cable works fine on my big ass macbook pro, but it's not the ideal PC to tune with...

I've removed/reinstalled the drivers, and done everything I can think of with no luck.  Only difference is that the netbook is x86 not x64.  It also had a really old version of nefmoto on it which I removed first.

Any ideas?

Re-installed windows, still no dice.  Wondering if there is some hardware limitation with the netbook?  It's an HP Mini 1030NR.  The FTDI ChipID example application can't read it either.

Can you save out the FTDI cable info from within the NefMoto software under the Licensing menu. Then post it to this thread so we can see what info it is reporting.

Here ya go....

So that reports the cable is a basic FTDI 232BM device that doesn't have a ChipID. The NefMoto software requires a ChipID for the licensing system. The FTDI 232R devices all have ChipIDs.

You didn't buy the cable from one of the sellers I recommended did you?

I already licensed this cable with you and it works perfectly on my macbook and desktop and obviously the chip id reports properly :)  But it refuses to work on this netbook even after reinstalling windows...  That's why I'm baffled.

Have you tried each of the USB ports on the netbook?

Have you installed the official FTDI driver from the FTDI website on the netbook?

Yep, even tried the 2.08.17 beta drivers, removing the drivers, only installing the D2XX drivers, then I reinstalled windows, used the drivers posted with the installer, and same thing.

You could try the FTDI utilities to see what info they report about your cable:
http://www.ftdichip.com/Support/Utilities.htm#FTD2XXST
http://www.ftdichip.com/Support/Utilities.htm#MProg

Nice Tony.  I'll be donating, err purchasing shortly, once I get a car to start tuning on.

Got my cable yesterday! Waiting on my license! W00T!!

Just wanted to update... after getting my license file I flashed another revision in under 1 min... success!

thanks Tony!

Glad everyone is happy with the premium features. ;D

The software works great with clone of vag commander fully registered and working. Thank you Tony keep the awesome job.

(http://i.imgur.com/l1MZY.jpg)

Sent ya an email, exporting device info fails for me.

Version 1.9.1.2 fixes the problem with saving device info. Let me try one more time to take your money.  ;D

i have a genuine rosstech hex+can+usb, says its not supported, it that true?  If so guess i have to get an el cheapo cable. 

The ross-tech "KEY" cables aren't supported, but the other ross-tech cables are. The "KEY" cables don't support proper pass through mode and only really work well when using the custom ross-tech cable protocol.

Just wanted to say I too joined the premium train a little bit ago.  If someone is thinking about it, just do it :)

I think currently 15 people have bought a premium license, and I haven't received one complaint. I assume this means everyone is happy.  ;D

Oh dear, I'm in the same boat then. I thought they were o.k. in dumb mode. I was really looking forward to the XP version, but there's no point me even sampling it with a Revo tune that I can't read and a genuine Ross-Tech interface that isn't supported.  :'(

TTQS

The only "dumb" mode RT key cable that worked for me was the old serial db9 one ... and sadly, that one is going back to ross-tech for upgrade to usb-can.

Fortunately, ebay vagcom cables that DO work are cheap :)

I use a genuine ross-tech hex-can-usb cable. As far as I know it is only the genuine ross-tech key-usb cables that don't work properly.

I may have just read over it but do the premium features transfer over when the software is updated?

You're given a small registration file that is associated with your specific cable.  If you uninstall and reinstall the software, you just select "import license" from the license menu in the software and find your file. Super easy.

The license file is tied to the specific USB cable. As long as you still have the USB cable, you still have the license.

tony
if my car tuned, i can't access to flash file?
it's protected?

Some tuners disable reading the ECU flash memory by disabling support for the UploadFromECU KWP2000 message.

If you attempt to read the flash memory, and the log file says something like "ECU reports UploadFromECU is not supported, it may have been disabled", then you can't read the flash.

You can read the flash memory if you read it in bootmode. I will eventually add premium support for bypassing tuner protected when reading flash memory.

Bad boy you! ;D

Just jumped on this (finally). I'm not in a position to use it at the moment, but I thought at the very least Tony deserved my $50. In a months time I really hope to be pulling my project into my very own garage ;D ;D ;D, so hopefully this will come to good use (and even if nothing pans out with the house/garage, Tony still deserves it.)

I'm in :-)

Hi Tony,

Glad to see this forum is back up and running again.

I've sent you an email for premium license to 'sales@nefariousmotorsports.com' but had no response.
Have you received?

Thanks

I emailed you about going Premium Tony...
Anxiously waiting for your reply so that I can get it set up :-)

Oh and thank you for such an awesome product!

Hi Tony!

I emailed you a few weeks ago with the license data for my cable and I'm interested in purchasing the premium features  ;D

How long does it normally take to get a reply and go premium? Been waiting a few weeks and could so use premium...

Cheers

I think Tony's MIA. I sent my info almost a month ago  :(

If he really is MIA, I start to wonder what's gonna happen to the forum when his amazon e2 credit goes byebye...

This is one of the few forums I belong to that I would actually pay to be a member. I'm sure a lot of people here feel the same way.

Sure thing! I think many people could provide free hosting for this forum including me, but that does not help if the site goes down..

Making the forum a pay site doesn't nothing to guarantee that it stays around... I can tell you from experience that once money is involved, a forum is MORE likely to implode.

The point is what happens if the site goes down like it did before and Tony is unavailable?  :'(

Now if the site goes down I'm going to blame you.

I just want to be able to fast flash :-(
And I hope nothing happens to the site :/

No need, I knocked on wood while i replied :)

praying nothing happens to the site..

I sent over my info a few weeks ago also and havent heard back yet either

I tweeted him, maybe he'll get it and sell us a licences. It looks like he was last active on March 7th of this year though. :-\

I'm checking my email again. Sorry for delaying anyone who was hoping to purchase a license.

PS: Even when I am not on the forum regularly or responding to email, I still make sure to do my best to keep the site and forum up and running.  :)

 ;D ;D welcome back Tony  ;D ;D

Yes! I finally have Premium unlocked!

Thank you Tony!

the license imported successfully. Thanks!

Welcome back Tony! you've been missed as you can see! lol

I've been on a soul searching recuperating busy with my day job hiatus until now. ::)

You do what you have to, good to see you back posting though :)

Email Sent ! Anxious to get the premium features enabled  ;D

Give it a few day's and i will be a owner of the premium. I have noticed that my time for flashing can be cut down to 27s. Is that correct?

Just got my premium features active yesterday woohoo!
No idea how I went so long without using Fast Flash

Tony sent in an email a couple of days ago, let me know if you did not receive it. Or may I didn't receive the paypal invoice?

Thanks
Tory

Any idea, when you might possibly be adding this feature in the premium version?

Thanks

If anyone has been trying to purchase a premium license,  please resend the email request. I'm sorry I was unable to respond to any requests earlier.

I just e-mailed you. I hope your still watching this stuff :)

TAKE MY MONEY! Even without the premium features(although it would be nice), I would still like to donate to the cause. I've been trying to contribute as much as I can to this forum as I learn more...but I feel like I still take more than I can give....So let me give $$$!

<3 Thanks

Tony,

Emailed and messaged here as well.  Hope you're still allowing licensing.  Please let us know  :D
Eagerly awaiting

I've replied to all outstanding requests for license files. Please feel free to contact me if you interested in purchasing a license.

Thanks Tony!!!
C.

BTW the Licensing->Get Licenses "http://featurelicensing.nefariousmotorsports.com/" URL built into the NEF flasher binary doesn't lead anywhere...

I think a donate button would probably be a nice addition to the forum. I have wanted to donate a few times now but lately, due to the absence of a donate button, I've been trying to make other forms of contribution e.g; advice, guidance, .pdf files, links... whatever I can do... And ultimately I think thats what this is all about here and I think thats what tony ultimately wants.

<3

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