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Title: Is Motronic 7.1.1 usually hard to get into bootmode?
Post by: wolfe2118 on August 27, 2018, 05:52:45 AM
I've been trying for weeks but can't seem to be able to get it.  I've grounded pin 24 for different lengths of time and even soldered a lead directly to the pin thinking that I simply was not getting a good contact but still nothing.  I am using a high quality laboratory grade power supply that I set at 14V DC.

Reading and editing the BIN for IMMO delete was easy.

Is there some way to tell if my ecu is in bootmode?  I am swapping a 01 ART 4.2 into a B6 A4 but this is the last piece of the puzzle.  The engine starts just long enough for me to get excited but is shut down due to the immobilizer.

Any help is appreciated.


Title: Re: Is Motronic 7.1.1 usually hard to get into bootmode?
Post by: nyet on August 27, 2018, 01:04:37 PM
Yes, some can be annoying, they may need the removal or addition of a pullup resistor, depending on the ecu.


Title: Re: Is Motronic 7.1.1 usually hard to get into bootmode?
Post by: wolfe2118 on August 27, 2018, 05:59:22 PM
Yes, some can be annoying, they may need the removal or addition of a pullup resistor, depending on the ecu.

I can't find any information on that other than a post saying that it didn't work for them, how is that done? 

I've been working on this for 3 hours and still can't get it.  It gets to the point where it says "initializing monitors" then it fails.  If I try it again without disconnecting the power I get a message saying no communication with ECU.


Title: Re: Is Motronic 7.1.1 usually hard to get into bootmode?
Post by: Carsinc on August 27, 2018, 08:37:46 PM
Can you post the ecu number? Bottom of the board pic and which version of software you are using to flash?
I know i could do it if i had it...
or you could just have your tuner remove it in the flash file.


Title: Re: Is Motronic 7.1.1 usually hard to get into bootmode?
Post by: wolfe2118 on August 28, 2018, 05:48:46 AM
Can you post the ecu number? Bottom of the board pic and which version of software you are using to flash?
I know i could do it if i had it...
or you could just have your tuner remove it in the flash file.

Here is the ECU, I'll update this post with the picture of the board in a few hours when I get to my tools.  I have tried both versions of ArgDubs tool.  I can read using both but I can't get either to write.

(http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q416/wolfe2118/20180828_064524_zpsci0lg4ar.jpg) (http://s350.photobucket.com/user/wolfe2118/media/20180828_064524_zpsci0lg4ar.jpg.html)

(http://i350.photobucket.com/albums/q416/wolfe2118/20180828_103949_zpsxkrenrsq.jpg) (http://s350.photobucket.com/user/wolfe2118/media/20180828_103949_zpsxkrenrsq.jpg.html)


Title: Re: Is Motronic 7.1.1 usually hard to get into bootmode?
Post by: fknbrkn on November 10, 2019, 06:55:45 PM
So another one here

022906032JR me7.1.1 dont want to go bootmode

is there any resistor to remove?

able to find some threads with removing 000 resistor but there is a different pcb so im not sure


Title: Re: Is Motronic 7.1.1 usually hard to get into bootmode?
Post by: fknbrkn on November 10, 2019, 07:00:29 PM
yay!


Title: Re: Is Motronic 7.1.1 usually hard to get into bootmode?
Post by: GolfSportWagen on November 10, 2019, 08:43:18 PM
ST10 based ECUs seem to be a PITA for most folks including me. The link below shows a 1K ohm resistor jumper that is suppose to be required to get into boot mode. It doesn't work for me on two ST10 ECUs that I have. I like others found that a 2.2K ohm resistor on pin 21 was required just to connect to Nef flashing software.

http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=8563.msg76365#msg76365


Title: Re: Is Motronic 7.1.1 usually hard to get into bootmode?
Post by: fknbrkn on November 10, 2019, 09:59:03 PM
saw  this one
but theyre different


Title: Re: Is Motronic 7.1.1 usually hard to get into bootmode?
Post by: macxxx on November 11, 2019, 02:40:32 AM
The only method i did immo off in me 7.1.1 4.2v8 was desoldering epprom - I couldn't do sny of these thru obd


Title: Re: Is Motronic 7.1.1 usually hard to get into bootmode?
Post by: dilly on November 11, 2019, 03:19:00 PM
The only method i did immo off in me 7.1.1 4.2v8 was desoldering epprom - I couldn't do sny of these thru obd
you can't immo off via obd anyway?


Title: Re: Is Motronic 7.1.1 usually hard to get into bootmode?
Post by: _nameless on November 11, 2019, 08:48:54 PM
you can't immo off via obd anyway?
Says who?


Title: Re: Is Motronic 7.1.1 usually hard to get into bootmode?
Post by: fknbrkn on November 11, 2019, 10:09:39 PM
Literally no one
Back on the track
I've tried to pull out some resistors from pcb with no luck

Time to order standalone?


Title: Re: Is Motronic 7.1.1 usually hard to get into bootmode?
Post by: dilly on November 12, 2019, 01:37:14 AM
Says who?
you can't write straight up over obd(non bootmode)
perhaps you misinterpreted my statement.


Title: Re: Is Motronic 7.1.1 usually hard to get into bootmode?
Post by: dilly on November 12, 2019, 01:39:24 AM
Literally no one
Back on the track
I've tried to pull out some resistors from pcb with no luck

Time to order standalone?
which resistors are you pulling off? would like to know for reference


Title: Re: Is Motronic 7.1.1 usually hard to get into bootmode?
Post by: _nameless on November 12, 2019, 08:30:47 AM
you can't write straight up over obd(non bootmode)
perhaps you misinterpreted my statement.
You can immo off threw flash and you can port flash without issue. When you remove the resistor it will go into bootmode for programming. Then you can read/write the eeprom and flash in bootmode if you wish. You can also lift the eeprom and read the contents with a chip burner too. You can even replace the chip with a more comon 95040 if you wish. Idk why people give out missleading info?


Title: Re: Is Motronic 7.1.1 usually hard to get into bootmode?
Post by: dilly on November 12, 2019, 09:38:48 PM
You can immo off threw flash and you can port flash without issue. When you remove the resistor it will go into bootmode for programming. Then you can read/write the eeprom and flash in bootmode if you wish. You can also lift the eeprom and read the contents with a chip burner too. You can even replace the chip with a more comon 95040 if you wish. Idk why people give out missleading info?
Yeah I know about all that. I just read the op as if there was a program that straight up read and write over obd without using boot mode for explanation sake like a nefmoto version but for immo