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Title: ECU use LDRXNZK insted of LDRX
Post by: BlackT on August 16, 2019, 01:29:58 PM
The car is audi A4 B6 BEX engine, everything stock.
I want to add little power in low RPM, but only the first run is good, after that the LDRXNZK  table is used for load. What can cause this? I use 95 octane fuel


Title: Re: ECU use LDRXNZK insted of LDRX
Post by: BlackT on August 16, 2019, 01:34:48 PM
Here you can see that drop to LDRXNZK
now i have remembered I didn't change LAMFA, it is stock, could that be a problem?


Title: Re: ECU use LDRXNZK insted of LDRX
Post by: nyet on August 16, 2019, 01:41:35 PM
yes, you should add fuel or pull timing or both.


Title: Re: ECU use LDRXNZK insted of LDRX
Post by: BlackT on August 16, 2019, 02:33:47 PM
I will add fuel, and see what hapen. I am not yet familiar how to control timing


Title: Re: ECU use LDRXNZK insted of LDRX
Post by: nyet on August 16, 2019, 03:48:39 PM
KFZW is covered extensively in the wiki tuning page


Title: Re: ECU use LDRXNZK insted of LDRX
Post by: BlackT on August 17, 2019, 09:30:09 AM
KFZW is covered extensively in the wiki tuning page
I will take some readings to try figure it out. I know how ingition works, i tuned 2 and 4 stroke motorcycles with 2D or 3D map, but still don't know how ME7 detemine what ignition map will use

okey I add fuel, and looks like now situation is better
But look this even if I don't have knock, rlmax(and rlsol)  doesen't follow rlmx(LDRXN), later it follow ldrlts (KFLHBN) and that is okay, but in low RPM there is a problem

(https://i.postimg.cc/wT51SdyP/rlmxa.png) (https://postimg.cc/svXfhqJ9)

here again have drop to LDRXNZK at 5250 RPM
(https://i.postimg.cc/TwrLjybk/ldrxna.png) (https://postimg.cc/cgLL0LXY)

Is wkmr(avg ingition retard control) showing me that ECU fights against knocking all time?





Title: Re: ECU use LDRXNZK insted of LDRX
Post by: prj on August 17, 2019, 04:22:40 PM
6 deg avg retard and "you don't have knock"?

If Bosch didn't make knock control as good as it is and didn't pull boost/dump fuel that engine would've been blown up by now.

WTF have you done with the timing? +10 deg to entire map?


Title: Re: ECU use LDRXNZK insted of LDRX
Post by: BlackT on August 17, 2019, 08:43:31 PM
6 deg avg retard and "you don't have knock"?

If Bosch didn't make knock control as good as it is and didn't pull boost/dump fuel that engine would've been blown up by now.

WTF have you done with the timing? +10 deg to entire map?
I mean in that region at 2000 rpm, but never mind. Looks like I have serious problem with engine.

No i didn't touch timing at all
 
And I have retard even at stock map. Last night I fill a fuel at different gas station, that didn't make any difference. Put octane booster, still no difference

Bad or loosen knock sensor maybe? Wrong spark plug heat number?


Title: Re: ECU use LDRXNZK insted of LDRX
Post by: BlackT on August 18, 2019, 01:49:38 AM

In BEX file KFZW have avg +5 values compare to other 1.8T maps
Same is with BEX file i found here on forum,as the file i read from my ECU



Title: Re: ECU use LDRXNZK insted of LDRX
Post by: prj on August 18, 2019, 03:23:10 AM
These cars don't pull that amount of timing stock.


Title: Re: ECU use LDRXNZK insted of LDRX
Post by: BlackT on August 18, 2019, 04:30:52 AM
These cars don't pull that amount of timing stock.
This is run with everthing stock on car( only CAT delete)


Title: Re: ECU use LDRXNZK insted of LDRX
Post by: Blazius on August 18, 2019, 05:10:11 AM
There is something really wrong with your setup.


Title: Re: ECU use LDRXNZK insted of LDRX
Post by: BlackT on August 18, 2019, 05:48:45 AM
There is something really wrong with your setup.
my setup? This is stock car with stock ECU


Title: Re: ECU use LDRXNZK insted of LDRX
Post by: Blazius on August 18, 2019, 06:06:53 AM
my setup? This is stock car with stock ECU

Engine wise, valvetrain or fuel system damage. Like prj said stock engine stock ecu doesnt matter, they do not pull 6 avg knock correction unless there is something wrong with the engine physically.


Title: Re: ECU use LDRXNZK insted of LDRX
Post by: BlackT on August 18, 2019, 06:41:26 AM
I doubt in quality of fuel. In our country we have the awful fuel. It is rulete to find petrol station with good fuel
I will do one run on LPG to see what will hapen


Title: Re: ECU use LDRXNZK insted of LDRX
Post by: Blazius on August 18, 2019, 09:17:07 AM
You said you tried different octane fuels and such. Some stations differ obviously , but if you are buying 95 they have to meet 95 octane standarts at the minimum as thats how it comes out from the refinery, I doubt that will be the case.


Title: Re: ECU use LDRXNZK insted of LDRX
Post by: fknbrkn on August 18, 2019, 02:15:11 PM
nvm


Title: Re: ECU use LDRXNZK insted of LDRX
Post by: BlackT on August 18, 2019, 03:00:37 PM
nvm
you are free to say what you mean, every advice to me is gold worth. I take in consider both bad and good comments

You said you tried different octane fuels and such. Some stations differ obviously , but if you are buying 95 they have to meet 95 octane standarts at the minimum as thats how it comes out from the refinery, I doubt that will be the case.
No this is a poor counrty, and noeone controls many things, including petrol stations. And 80% petrol stations do their on malversation. Some mix water with gasoline, some count more petrol than they put in car, and soo on. You will never understand if you live in country where there is a law.   Many newer cars light on check engine after filling tank.  And when I travel to Germany and there fill a tank my fuel compustion gets better by 10-15%.  Every man in out living area, even who doesen't undestand how engine work, know that we got the awful fuel

Back to topic,
Even running on LPG i got some knock retard, -1.5 degree. But if i take in consider that LPG burns slower and have more than 100 octane rating, that knock retard is bad news. Are they?
Soo where to start? What to look on engine?


Title: Re: ECU use LDRXNZK insted of LDRX
Post by: BlackT on August 19, 2019, 03:35:16 AM
Spark plugs are good. NGK 6
But piston 1 and 4 have film of burned oil on top of piston.
On other hand pistons 2 and 3 are clean. But it looks like thex have some marks couset by detonation. Bur I am not sure. Can't see very good until I remowe head


Title: Re: ECU use LDRXNZK insted of LDRX
Post by: BlackT on August 19, 2019, 12:40:14 PM
new test, in my tank i have left over 15L 95 octane, and put in 40 L  98 octane premium fuel
Here are both test, with 95 and 98


Title: Re: ECU use LDRXNZK insted of LDRX
Post by: nyet on August 19, 2019, 12:43:07 PM
That is a ridiculous amount of knock control for such low boost/load.


Title: Re: ECU use LDRXNZK insted of LDRX
Post by: BlackT on August 19, 2019, 01:24:02 PM
That is a ridiculous amount of knock control for such low boost/load.
But what can I do? ??? What can cause so much retard?


Title: Re: ECU use LDRXNZK insted of LDRX
Post by: nyet on August 19, 2019, 01:34:58 PM
check knock sensors, test injectors, leak down, compression etc.


Title: Re: ECU use LDRXNZK insted of LDRX
Post by: vwaudiguy on August 20, 2019, 09:43:46 PM
Random suggestion. Unplug your maf, and do a log. If your maf is under-reporting, load will be different, and target a different area in the timing map. Lower than normal load via maf = more timing advance.


Title: Re: ECU use LDRXNZK insted of LDRX
Post by: nyet on August 20, 2019, 09:54:39 PM
If his MAF is underreporting I would expect his fueling to be completely out of whack (unless KRKTE is wrong as well)

Would also see a discrepancy in ps_w vs actual boost, which isn't there.



Title: Re: ECU use LDRXNZK insted of LDRX
Post by: BlackT on August 21, 2019, 02:01:46 AM
"Maybe" there is some leak or something
Ps_w is under actual boost, but i don't know how much can be in some areas is 50mBar to 100 mBar

Same is with Rl and rlsol, even when boost desire match boost actual. Rl is 5% below rlsol, on some areas go to 10%
I don't know is that in border of tolerance

Next thing why i think I have some leak is beacuse my boost is low at 95% WGDC
but that doesn't must mean that, maybe N75 is fault or something else      (turbo is K03s,and this is tuned file)
(https://i.postimg.cc/4d7KxPv6/tuned-20190817-211046.png) (https://postimg.cc/ftsWHxry)

But even if that is true, that my MAF doesen't measure right, if we look at desire ignition angle, it is still low(but again i have knock on that angle). maybe it is not important but to mention, It doesen't follow values in table
(https://i.postimg.cc/G2VX4XWd/graph.png) (https://postimg.cc/8JdR3mk0)
(https://i.postimg.cc/kX8pbdMZ/table.png) (https://postimages.org/)


Title: Re: ECU use LDRXNZK insted of LDRX
Post by: BlackT on August 21, 2019, 02:17:13 AM
check knock sensors, test injectors, leak down, compression etc.
Will do that check, probably I will open engine, put new piston rings, clean and check everything. Beacuse my oil compustion is about 4L/10 000 km


Title: Re: ECU use LDRXNZK insted of LDRX
Post by: BlackT on August 25, 2019, 07:50:35 AM
KFZW copied from 150 hp engine, 98 oct fuel
There is no knocking even on tuned file
For now power is okay, but this turbo schould give more, wainting for parts and free time to disamble engine


Title: Re: ECU use LDRXNZK insted of LDRX
Post by: BlackT on September 13, 2019, 02:02:15 AM
I put timing back to stock 190 hp, and add few more degree (maybe little to agresive in low RPM, will put that back to stock)
Fuel is RON100 + etanol  mix is 3:1
Power is great no knock,car runs  just fine. But i want to know why I have so many oscilation on ignition
 


Title: Re: ECU use LDRXNZK insted of LDRX
Post by: prj on December 08, 2019, 04:00:06 AM
Probably ARMD.

Change your KFDMDARO from this:
(http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=16584.0;attach=30056;image)

To this:
(http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=16584.0;attach=30058;image)

It will disable it over 50% torque.


Title: Re: ECU use LDRXNZK insted of LDRX
Post by: BlackT on December 08, 2019, 12:56:08 PM
Yes later i did that, but with smaler turbo (k03-029), so I don't know for sure is problem gone. After new year i will put K04 than we will see
This is run with k03-029 and E60 fuel


Title: Re: ECU use LDRXNZK insted of LDRX
Post by: soul87 on December 09, 2019, 05:19:46 AM
isn't timing oscilation normal during knock ???


Title: Re: ECU use LDRXNZK insted of LDRX
Post by: prj on December 09, 2019, 07:01:24 AM
isn't timing oscilation normal during knock ???
It is of course, but the log he posted before had no knock at all.

Btw the actual timing looks mega weird in that last log.


Title: Re: ECU use LDRXNZK insted of LDRX
Post by: BlackT on December 09, 2019, 01:34:27 PM

Btw the actual timing looks mega weird in that last log
What you actual mean by mega weird?


Title: Re: ECU use LDRXNZK insted of LDRX
Post by: prj on December 09, 2019, 01:47:37 PM
Because from 4500 it's a straight line, which makes zero sense.


Title: Re: ECU use LDRXNZK insted of LDRX
Post by: BlackT on December 09, 2019, 02:22:29 PM
Oh that was only for testing, this is ignition table