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Title: med17 2.0t golf help understanding damos
Post by: ktm733 on May 26, 2015, 09:05:20 PM
like the topic says, i found a damos and I don't understand one bit of it!! It's not even close like me7. So maybe this can help everybody if we spread info about this damos. I was looking for maximalfueling=ldrxn nothing. I'm looking for boost pids or in your smart terms maximum load


Title: Re: edc17 2.0t golf help understanding damos
Post by: ktm733 on May 26, 2015, 09:08:41 PM
like the topic says, i found a damos and I don't understand one bit of it!! It's not even close like me7. So maybe this can help everybody if we spread info about this damos. I was looking for maximalfueling=ldrxn nothing. I'm looking for boost pids or in your smart terms maximum load


Title: Re: edc17 2.0t golf help understanding damos
Post by: ktm733 on May 26, 2015, 09:13:34 PM
http://www.ecuconnections.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=124&t=6834&sid=e08b7848ee927793b9daf8dc85a4b5e0
theres link to damos files.


Title: Re: edc17 2.0t golf help understanding damos
Post by: k0mpresd on May 26, 2015, 09:17:07 PM
lol.


Title: Re: edc17 2.0t golf help understanding damos
Post by: terminator on May 27, 2015, 01:01:42 PM
First you need understand how diesel engine works)) Boost is not important thing.


Title: Re: edc17 2.0t golf help understanding damos
Post by: ktm733 on May 27, 2015, 03:33:37 PM
diesel? I thought 2.0t is gas?


Title: Re: edc17 2.0t golf help understanding damos
Post by: tjwasiak on May 27, 2015, 03:38:46 PM
EDC17 is diesel ECU, so there is something wrong with this whole topic.

What car exactly are we talking about (engine code would be helpful)?


Title: Re: Sv: edc17 2.0t golf help understanding damos
Post by: technic on May 27, 2015, 04:00:14 PM
Suggest you skip the damos and try to get your hands the MED17 FR instead. That would be better I think


Title: Re: edc17 2.0t golf help understanding damos
Post by: k0mpresd on May 27, 2015, 04:45:44 PM
if you don't know that edc is diesel, stop.


Title: Re: edc17 2.0t golf help understanding damos
Post by: ddillenger on May 27, 2015, 06:14:23 PM
if you don't know that edc is diesel, stop.

Don't be such a pessimist. He might build some sort of amazing hybrid tune.


Title: Re: edc17 2.0t golf help understanding damos
Post by: k0mpresd on May 28, 2015, 02:01:19 AM
Don't be such a pessimist. He might build some sort of amazing hybrid tune.

you have such a way with words.  :)


Title: Re: edc17 2.0t golf help understanding damos
Post by: automan001 on May 28, 2015, 07:47:52 AM
http://www.ecuconnections.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=124&t=6834&sid=e08b7848ee927793b9daf8dc85a4b5e0
theres link to damos files.
Thanks for the link to the damos files. I've downloaded the file and found many ME7.5 damoses there. This info was really useful for me.


Title: Re: edc17 2.0t golf help understanding damos
Post by: vwaudiguy on May 28, 2015, 09:41:13 AM
Thanks for the link to the damos files. I've downloaded the file and found many ME7.5 damoses there. This info was really useful for me.

I'm surprised you didn't have this one already, unless it's something different than the other one that's been around for quite some time? Downloading now to check..


Title: Re: edc17 2.0t golf help understanding damos
Post by: ktm733 on May 28, 2015, 11:14:21 AM
Wow I will honestly say i didn't know edc17 was diesel haha does anybody have a med17 damos? Im just having a hard time finding info on this stuff. Also I took a look into a 2015 gti amd it has 18.1 simons??? No info at all on this.


Title: Re: edc17 2.0t golf help understanding damos
Post by: ddillenger on May 28, 2015, 11:40:49 AM
Wow I will honestly say i didn't know edc17 was diesel haha does anybody have a med17 damos? Im just having a hard time finding info on this stuff. Also I took a look into a 2015 gti amd it has 18.1 simons??? No info at all on this.

Not sure if srs.........

You have skipped walking, running, and all manner of foot conveyance and went straight to spaceship piloting.


Title: Re: edc17 2.0t golf help understanding damos
Post by: vwaudiguy on May 28, 2015, 03:55:13 PM
Not sure if srs.........

You have skipped walking, running, and all manner of foot conveyance and went straight to spaceship piloting.

like


Title: Re: edc17 2.0t golf help understanding damos
Post by: ktm733 on May 28, 2015, 06:47:02 PM
Fineee haha well ill start slower this time. Can we get an med17 forum on info on.


Title: Re: edc17 2.0t golf help understanding damos
Post by: nyet on May 28, 2015, 06:57:23 PM
Fineee haha well ill start slower this time. Can we get an med17 forum on info on.


Dude. Please demonstrate you can actually tune something that is FULLY documented for you already first, like ME7


Title: Re: edc17 2.0t golf help understanding damos
Post by: ddillenger on May 28, 2015, 11:39:03 PM
Fineee haha well ill start slower this time. Can we get an med17 forum on info on.

Learn ME7 intimately. Progress to MED9, which is also very well documented, and come to grips with the added fueling control. Then move onto MED17. Everytime some of it will carry over. Jumping in at the deep end, and relying on this forum to save you from drowning is a terrible idea.

What's the hurry?


Title: Re:
Post by: majorahole on May 29, 2015, 06:23:49 PM
hey now guys I know this kid, he's done some me7 and med9 I believe. although idk how he didn't come across edc=diesel!! lol I'm pretty sure I have a fully defined ols for med17 but a 1.8 I believe. I haven't messed with it as I was under the impression affordable tools (clones) were unsafe for the med17. plus I don't have a car thats med17 so thus, no need!! the only guy I know with one, likes "bags, and having it slammed" so even if he asks....


Title: Re: edc17 2.0t golf help understanding damos
Post by: ktm733 on May 30, 2015, 10:56:53 AM
Thanks for the support! I mean I'm still learning but i feel i know my way around me7 and med9 except I still don't get how you guys can look at a map in 2d and know its that map! But reason for med17 damos is because i have a med17 ecu nd it's time to learn this beast! I'm trying to understand the tricore chip and it being locked?


Title: Re: edc17 2.0t golf help understanding damos
Post by: ktm733 on June 02, 2015, 06:16:38 PM
SOoo guess what??? This kid read and wrote med17 ha ha ha!! so yah I am in space! Does anybody know how to reverse engineer a cable? I have a cable that I was to clone. Yes i know mprog bla bla.. I need to actually recreate a cable. If you guess intern help me I will release software for free! Oh also another note. I read the ecu buy grounding just one pin and using a bench harness. No soldering in resisters as stated.


Title: Re: edc17 2.0t golf help understanding damos
Post by: ddillenger on June 02, 2015, 06:40:23 PM
TC1766/96 processors have a single bootpin. The 67/97's have several.



Title: Re: edc17 2.0t golf help understanding damos
Post by: k0mpresd on June 02, 2015, 06:57:50 PM
1762 is single as well.  :)


Title: Re: edc17 2.0t golf help understanding damos
Post by: ddillenger on June 02, 2015, 07:03:55 PM
1762 is single as well.  :)

How you gonna message me and just dip?

Fag.

lol


Title: Re: edc17 2.0t golf help understanding damos
Post by: ktm733 on June 02, 2015, 08:12:01 PM
off topic i know but where did you guys go to school for this? I'm extremely interested in this but I need to stop playing around and get serious. Can someone shoot me to some good schools?


Title: Re: edc17 2.0t golf help understanding damos
Post by: nyet on June 02, 2015, 08:17:16 PM
off topic i know but where did you guys go to school for this? I'm extremely interested in this but I need to stop playing around and get serious. Can someone shoot me to some good schools?

Any decent CS/EE engineering school should have assembler, compiler, programming, and embedded design courses.

Stay away from the schools that only teach MS windows stuff, they're worthless.


Title: Re: edc17 2.0t golf help understanding damos
Post by: ktm733 on June 02, 2015, 08:26:35 PM
What courses should I take if you had your selection of courses that would help you understand everything about programming? I know it's a braud statement. I'm all set in the mechanical word but computer word is different.


Title: Re:
Post by: majorahole on June 02, 2015, 10:06:24 PM
I found that med17 old, its for a 1.8 Audi apparently. I haven't looked at it but it around 9mb so idk if I can post here


Title: Re: edc17 2.0t golf help understanding damos
Post by: nyet on June 02, 2015, 10:19:52 PM
What courses should I take if you had your selection of courses that would help you understand everything about programming? I know it's a braud statement. I'm all set in the mechanical word but computer word is different.

So yea, that is why I wrote what I did in the post above. Not sure you read it.


Title: Re: edc17 2.0t golf help understanding damos
Post by: ktm733 on June 03, 2015, 09:14:17 AM
oops nyet saw your post. Thanks for the input. Today I will be looking around to see what schools can offer  yuck! Question sense I learned how to read and write med17 which is only the start, is the simons 18 all that hard?


Title: Re: edc17 2.0t golf help understanding damos
Post by: IamwhoIam on June 03, 2015, 10:19:00 AM
what the hell is a simoNs?


Title: Re: edc17 2.0t golf help understanding damos
Post by: ktm733 on June 04, 2015, 05:54:03 PM
Well maybe i'm wrong in identifying this but it's what the label says. My med17 hardness fits it but i don't have one peace of info on how bootmode works nor does the board look similiar.


Title: Re: edc17 2.0t golf help understanding damos
Post by: nyet on June 04, 2015, 06:50:20 PM
simoNs


Title: Re: edc17 2.0t golf help understanding damos
Post by: ktm733 on June 04, 2015, 07:38:57 PM
So nyet did I title the ecu wrong? Or am I looking at the wrong i.d?


Title: Re: edc17 2.0t golf help understanding damos
Post by: ddillenger on June 04, 2015, 08:39:46 PM
Well maybe i'm wrong in identifying this but it's what the label says. My med17 hardness fits it but i don't have one peace of info on how bootmode works nor does the board look similiar.

That's simos8.3. It has 7? bootpins. It has to be unlocked in bootmode, then flashed via OBD. I don't even think FGtech does simos.

Presumably that's an A6 ecu?


Title: Re: edc17 2.0t golf help understanding damos
Post by: nyet on June 04, 2015, 09:05:52 PM
You need to start being a bit more detail oriented if you expect to succeed.

Even small things like an extra character (simos vs simons) can cause all sorts of issues.


Title: Re: edc17 2.0t golf help understanding damos
Post by: ddillenger on June 04, 2015, 09:47:12 PM
if you expect to succeed.

Even small things like an extra character (simos vs simons) can cause all sorts of issues.

I don't think there is much risk of that. At this point I'll settle for a controlled failure-one that doesn't end in death or dismemberment.

an extra character (simos vs simons) can cause all sorts of issues.

You got a problem with simons? lol


Title: Re: edc17 2.0t golf help understanding damos
Post by: IamwhoIam on June 05, 2015, 06:53:02 AM
I was winding him up because simons is not simos, and maybe kfmirl is not kfrlmin if you catch my drift.


Title: Re: edc17 2.0t golf help understanding damos
Post by: ktm733 on June 05, 2015, 06:58:06 AM
okay okay.... I looked through ftgtech and this is no bueno. So what route can I take to at least get a read in bootmode?


Title: Re: edc17 2.0t golf help understanding damos
Post by: ktm733 on June 05, 2015, 07:00:02 AM
That's simos8.3. It has 7? bootpins. It has to be unlocked in bootmode, then flashed via OBD. I don't even think FGtech does simos.

Presumably that's an A6 ecu?

yes a6 ecu from the 3.0t which I haven't really read into but thought I would give it a shot. Plus simons 8 might transfer over to simons 18 which I've seen a couple in the tsi 2.0t's


Title: med17 2.0t golf help understanding damos
Post by: ktm733 on June 05, 2015, 07:01:18 AM
But back to the whole reason of this thread, does anybody have a greatly defined med17 damos, or xdf that I can buy or have?


Title: Re: edc17 2.0t golf help understanding damos
Post by: ddillenger on June 05, 2015, 12:44:39 PM
yes a6 ecu from the 3.0t which I haven't really read into but thought I would give it a shot. Plus simons 8 might transfer over to simons 18 which I've seen a couple in the tsi 2.0t's

You are still calling it Simons. It is Simos.


Title: Re: edc17 2.0t golf help understanding damos
Post by: nyet on June 05, 2015, 01:19:30 PM
You got a problem with simons? lol

Just know (from experience) that people who aren't detail oriented make terribad engineers :)


Title: Re: med17 2.0t golf help understanding damos
Post by: ktm733 on June 05, 2015, 01:19:46 PM
Fine! Simos, sounds better the other way in my opinion but is there an easy way to get a read out of this with the tools I have? Galleto 4? Or do i need to spend a million dollars on a tool haha


Title: Re: med17 2.0t golf help understanding damos
Post by: ericpaulyoung on June 05, 2015, 01:23:37 PM
oddly I have bad attention to detail (ADD), but made a pretty good engineer. Also, my spelling is horrible! :/
epy


Title: Re: med17 2.0t golf help understanding damos
Post by: ddillenger on June 05, 2015, 01:49:34 PM
Fine! Simos, sounds better the other way in my opinion but is there an easy way to get a read out of this with the tools I have? Galleto 4? Or do i need to spend a million dollars on a tool haha

What are you hoping to accomplish? There is no publicly available info on these. I told you what has to be done, and also told you that FGTech isn't supported AFAIK. I use MPPS to OBD read after a bootmode unlock. I'm sure other tools can do it over OBD. I don't know of any clones that do however.

I'm sorry, but with new stuff you must pay to play.

You seem to be trying to do a lot of different ecus at once, It begs the question as to why? Is this a commercial endeavor?


Title: Re: med17 2.0t golf help understanding damos
Post by: ktm733 on June 05, 2015, 06:30:52 PM
What I'm trying to accomplish is finding info on reading ecu's and writing. I couldn't seem to find any information on these ecus. Can you be mad that i'm hungry for information? Plus who ever judged the spelling I purposely don't correct my spelling because I'm lazy so yes keep hating. Yes add is a challenge I face but doesn't stop me from conquering things you'd never expect to do at a young age. Also I'm 20 so now you can say... "THAT EXPLAINS EVERYTHING". I just love tuning so I'm just trying to learn it all. Plus in the mean time and helping people out who are just starting. Who else knew starting out that you can't read simos with galleto? no somebody knows you need legit mpps tool.


Title: Re: med17 2.0t golf help understanding damos
Post by: k0mpresd on June 05, 2015, 06:42:57 PM
reading and writing is the easy part.


Title: Re: med17 2.0t golf help understanding damos
Post by: ddillenger on June 05, 2015, 07:22:26 PM
I can only tell you how I do it, and i did. MPPS tricore boot to unlock, with a homemade probe. Then, MPPS to read/write via OBD.

I think this is likely the cheapest way to do it as well (at least with genuine tools).


Title: Re: med17 2.0t golf help understanding damos
Post by: ktm733 on June 05, 2015, 09:58:46 PM
So what i should of done was save my money and bought mpps dang :( well i think learning med17 for the mean time will keep me busy. I bought a damos so know to fully define the ecu I have then I will get back to you guys with questions. Actually i have one already. I was looking at ldrxn and it had two humps. Ill take picture to show you what I mean


Title: Re: med17 2.0t golf help understanding damos
Post by: ktm733 on June 05, 2015, 10:00:02 PM
the load moves up then down then back up? why is this so?


Title: Re: med17 2.0t golf help understanding damos
Post by: ericpaulyoung on June 11, 2015, 01:40:26 PM
The up then down is normal, but coming back up on the end is a little weird to me.

EPY


Title: Re: med17 2.0t golf help understanding damos
Post by: ktm733 on June 11, 2015, 02:50:17 PM
Anybody have any input to confirm this map is defined wrong?


Title: Re: med17 2.0t golf help understanding damos
Post by: de_Fre on September 12, 2015, 01:50:20 AM
stock LDRXN doesn't go above 151 on 2.0T MED17 for most versions I saw, so this is either tuned (in a strange way) or not correctly defined.


Title: Re: med17 2.0t golf help understanding damos
Post by: ktm733 on September 12, 2015, 07:29:09 AM
hey nyet, I can't post the ols of this med17 file? Can I shoot the definition to you and you post it?


Title: Re: med17 2.0t golf help understanding damos
Post by: S2evo1 on September 21, 2015, 09:19:39 AM
So what i should of done was save my money and bought mpps dang :( well i think learning med17 for the mean time will keep me busy. I bought a damos so know to fully define the ecu I have then I will get back to you guys with questions. Actually i have one already. I was looking at ldrxn and it had two humps. Ill take picture to show you what I mean

That cant be a stock map!.?