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« Reply #15 on: January 09, 2012, 04:10:18 AM »

Can I just check what you modified your KRKTE value to?

I presume your calculation went something like this:

For gasoline
KRKTE = (50.2624 x Vhcyl)/Qstat

where 50.2624 approximately equals 1.23/(1.05 x 14.7 x 1.67E-5) where

1.293 g/dm3 = air density at 0°C and 1013 mbar)
1.05 = injector correction factor for gasoline (i.e ratio of gasoline density 0.7135 g/cm3 to n-heptane density 0.6795 g/cm3)
14.7 = Stoichiometric air quantity at lambda = 1.0 and
1.67E-5 conversion factor minutes to milliseconds.

I get 50.1621 instead of the 50.2624 quoted in the funktionsrahmen, a difference of 0.2%.

For E85 (85% ethanol)
KRKTE = (67.7104 x Vhcyl)/Qstat

where 67.7104 approximately equals 1.23/(1.1626 x 9.855 x 1.67E-5) where

1.293 g/dm3 = air density at 0°C and 1013 mbar)
1.1626 = injector correction factor for ethanol (i.e ratio of E85 density 0.79 g/cm3 to n-heptane density 0.6795 g/cm3)
9.855 = Stoichiometric air quantity at lambda = 1.0 and
1.67E-5 conversion factor minutes to milliseconds.
with the 0.2% corretion applied

So I make that an overall change of +34.7%.

TTQS
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« Reply #16 on: January 09, 2012, 04:30:12 AM »

Can I just check what you modified your KRKTE value to?

I presume your calculation went something like this:

For gasoline
KRKTE = (50.2624 x Vhcyl)/Qstat

where 50.2624 approximately equals 1.23/(1.05 x 14.7 x 1.67E-5) where

1.293 g/dm3 = air density at 0°C and 1013 mbar)
1.05 = injector correction factor for gasoline (i.e ratio of gasoline density 0.7135 g/cm3 to n-heptane density 0.6795 g/cm3)
14.7 = Stoichiometric air quantity at lambda = 1.0 and
1.67E-5 conversion factor minutes to milliseconds.

I get 50.1621 instead of the 50.2624 quoted in the funktionsrahmen, a difference of 0.2%.

For E85 (85% ethanol)
KRKTE = (67.7104 x Vhcyl)/Qstat

where 67.7104 approximately equals 1.23/(1.1626 x 9.855 x 1.67E-5) where

1.293 g/dm3 = air density at 0°C and 1013 mbar)
1.1626 = injector correction factor for ethanol (i.e ratio of E85 density 0.79 g/cm3 to n-heptane density 0.6795 g/cm3)
9.855 = Stoichiometric air quantity at lambda = 1.0 and
1.67E-5 conversion factor minutes to milliseconds.
with the 0.2% corretion applied

So I make that an overall change of +34.7%.

TTQS

First I caclulated KRTKE for new injectors and then added 30% and then corrected it depending on idle trims Wink
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« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2012, 06:01:20 AM »

First I calculated KRTKE for new injectors and then added 30% and then corrected it depending on idle trims Wink

O.k. Please would you post up the calculation you did with details of old and new injector Qstat values and idle fuel trim corrector factor, etc. Apparently the level of ethanol content can vary according to time of year. Just another possible factor to consider...

I am probably misunderstanding your hardware configuration again, but if you don't have any lambda sensors, how does the ECU calculate the required fuel trim?

Thanks.

TTQS
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« Reply #18 on: January 09, 2012, 07:12:32 AM »

O.k. Please would you post up the calculation you did with details of old and new injector Qstat values and idle fuel trim corrector factor, etc. Apparently the level of ethanol content can vary according to time of year. Just another possible factor to consider...

I am probably misunderstanding your hardware configuration again, but if you don't have any lambda sensors, how does the ECU calculate the required fuel trim?

Thanks.

TTQS

TTQS, I have precat wideband sensor Smiley

original krtke: 0.10478 ; new injectors with e85: 0.10567. Since new injectors could spray about 30% more fuel in the end my KRTKE almost didn't changed. At idle my fuel trims are -0.8.

With wideband it's actually very easy to fix idle fueling, because you have very big range of triming field (-+30%) Wink

Actually I'm beginning to think that my problem of limp is asociated to this: http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=524.0 Because I started getting limp only after I disconnected postcat o2 sensor..
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« Reply #19 on: January 09, 2012, 09:02:32 AM »

Hi master_j.

Sorry. Yet again, I misread your earlier post.

I had a look at phila_dot's thread that you linked to. I was already working on a translation of the large module LRS 15.40 (Continuous Lambda Regulation) to better understand the basics of lambda control. However, I have started work on LRSHK 9.80 (Continuous Post-Catalyst Lambda Regulation) so we can get a handle on how the post-cat control affects pre-cat control. The following statement early on in the module is of concern:

"Regulation with the post-catalyst probe is superimposed on the pre-cat lambda control."

Hopefully this will shed some more light on continuous lambda control which should be basic knowledge for us.

TTQS
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