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« on: February 09, 2012, 04:15:08 PM »

I'm trying to find out the maximum g/sec reading the MAF on my AJL engine can read. Its part number is 037906461C, and is typically found on 1998-2000 1.8T's with ME3.8 management, such as the AGU and AEB engines.

Does anyone happen to know this value, or perhaps have a dump from an AGU or AEB ECU that they can have a look at to see the maximum value on the MAF table?

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« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2012, 02:01:58 AM »

AGU MAFs top out at around 187g/s  (673hg/h) which works out around 238hp at the fly.

But can exceed the maf 4.9v limit once KFMLDMX has been maxed and still fueled correct, on Monday morning I took an AGU stock maf well of the scale to 311bhp, now running a VR6 MAF which clips the limit at 317bhp 915kg/h.

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« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2012, 02:21:53 PM »

So what exactly happens when you go off the scale?

Surely the voltage from the sensor just flatlines at 5v and doesnt go any higher?

If so how can you fuel for air you cant see?
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« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2012, 04:18:54 PM »

So what exactly happens when you go off the scale?

Surely the voltage from the sensor just flatlines at 5v and doesnt go any higher?

If so how can you fuel for air you cant see?

Engine VE is tapering off
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« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2012, 12:19:05 PM »

Well ofcourse, but the chap above says hes had 311hp out of a stock AGU MAF, and i cant figure out how you can fuel for 311hp if you only know the engines making 187g/sec
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« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2012, 01:33:56 PM »

Well ofcourse, but the chap above says hes had 311hp out of a stock AGU MAF, and i cant figure out how you can fuel for 311hp if you only know the engines making 187g/sec

It fueled fine and held 21* advance spot on..lol   By looking at it the narrow band held the fuel at the last recored value.   I was only a quick power run before the 2.75" VR6 maf was fitted.  I ran the car with det cat and LM" wideband to get a picture of what the stock maf was acting like to use the data help me make a maf scale for the bigger maf.  The idea was to lift of at the first sign of knock or lean conditions, but managed a full sweep to 7000rpm. Shocked

I have the car back on the dyno monday i will put stock maf back on and log blocks, 002 007 025 and post them up and try to work out why she fuels off scale.  Its was holding 187g/s so I think the ecu use this as an actual reading and is correct by the narrow band???

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« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2012, 03:05:41 AM »

AFAIK the M3.8 goes open loop on full throttle, so i doubt it would be lambda correction?

It was my understanding that the MAF reading was is directly proportional to the fuel injected. On a friends car we installed a VR6 MAF (which is ~40% larger than stock), and some 40% larger injectors, and the fuelling seemed spot on, LTFTs stayed low and the engine ran quite happily. Ignition timing was away to hell and the car pulled massive CF's though, presumably because the ECU was seeing lower airflows than was actually happening and it was using too much ignition advance as a result.

It just intrigues me as to how you can fuel for 300hp when the ECU thinks theres only 230ish hp's worth of air going in!



The reason for the question is i've fitted a hybrid turbo to my daily, and i believe its capable of flowing 240-250hp worth of air. I dont intend on upgrading MAF/Injectors etc as i dont want to turn the car into a big project, i just want to give it a bit of a boost from its current 180hp and would like to know how much can be had from this turbo on the standard components.

The 187g/sec limit suggests that i'll be able to have about 230hp without reaching the MAF limit, which is probably going to be enough. I guess the bigger issue with be if the standard intercooler and exhaust system is capable of handling those levels of power.
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« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2012, 03:53:10 AM »

236-240bhp is ths upper most limit before the 4.9v gets clipped.

The 40% injector and 40% maf increase works well and can be fine tuned via KFLF, but just offsets all the load maps so the timing need to be pulled right back and the KFLDR maps adjusted to get the load requests to match real time.


I will look in to this a little more and out whats actaully going on when 4.9v gets clipped and how the fuel and timing stays in check.   

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« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2012, 07:14:11 AM »

Hi Guys ,

Any news on this ?

I have the AGU with ko4-23 and ~ 406 CC injectors. I noticed that the MAF in my bin has not been scaled , not has the Lineraization for maf been scaled . I have the VR6 housing with normal AGU sensor .

Max airflow is 130 g/s and load is 9ms , I assume this is due to scaling ?

i am new to this , just getting started in an effor to fine tune the car properly .
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« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2012, 01:24:52 AM »

nothing for bosch me7 MAF?? interesting to know
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« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2012, 10:15:36 AM »

http://s4wiki.com/wiki/Maf
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