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« Reply #255 on: July 31, 2019, 01:08:18 AM »

Yeah but for example limiting Imax for max boost at 4000rpm after gear change for prevent spike will limit Imax also when I will go on full boost from low rpm (3000) to max rpm (6000) ... and passing 4000rpm region it will in some way disable I positive adaptation in this range because of lower Imax...

I agree with using I for limiting boost spike but for me its stupid design that I always start from Imax not from I directly from KFLDIMX>KFLDRL giving a LDDIMXN to work only if its needed...
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« Reply #256 on: July 31, 2019, 02:04:01 AM »

Yep. You'll have to choose a happy medium. Some overshoot is always needed to bring I back down if it isn't capped. Its the nature of PIDs.
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« Reply #257 on: July 31, 2019, 01:02:29 PM »

1. You should not use positive adaptation.
2. During spool IMAX is irrelevant because all the DC comes from P/D, IMAX is irrelevant until you go into steady state.
3. If you do the linearization runs correctly and tune correctly you will not have any boost spikes.
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« Reply #258 on: July 31, 2019, 03:45:20 PM »


2. During spool IMAX is irrelevant because all the DC comes from P/D, IMAX is irrelevant until you go into steady state.


But as soon as it approaches target, p and d approach zero, and i is already maxed due to windup, so by definition it has to bounce off the imx.
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« Reply #259 on: July 31, 2019, 11:29:02 PM »

1. You should not use positive adaptation.

I know.

Question is for what is the LDDIMXN for... it add a constant number to imax, why ?
Its a I positive regulation limit? I belive no
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« Reply #260 on: August 01, 2019, 12:39:58 AM »

But as soon as it approaches target, p and d approach zero, and i is already maxed due to windup, so by definition it has to bounce off the imx.

I does not always have to be maxed due to windup.
But regardless, if you use the approach outlined in the OP, and you actually have the correct DC through LDRL, and have D set correctly, then just before reaching peak it will do a spike down in DC to stabilize and then it will just track the target.


I know.

Question is for what is the LDDIMXN for... it add a constant number to imax, why ?
Its a I positive regulation limit? I belive no

It simply is there to add a constant number instead of having to modify the whole table.
You can set it to zero.

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« Reply #261 on: August 29, 2019, 12:21:57 PM »

I read all 18 pages in this topic, and still not sure how to take logs. What logs i need to use in the GUI tool ? From what i understand i need to change WGDC map(KFLDRL). First when i use 10% everywhere. After that 20% everywhere, than 30,40,50,60,70,80%. Also i need to make LDDIMXN map to 0 everywhere. Am i right or no ?
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« Reply #262 on: October 23, 2019, 10:34:12 AM »

Hi,

This is very useful tool. My question is regarding the logs. I understand that make logs with different duty cycles. The question is that can I use my current tuned software or I should use an original one? Or what will happen with 95% DC? Currently I need 75% dc to be under 1,35 bar at 4000rpm.
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« Reply #263 on: October 23, 2019, 11:26:36 AM »

Other question for log. I've check FR and I found and easier way to set DC. When we set 16 to CWMDAPP B_ldsafw also be active and it's activate LDRAPP. Is it also good? Or I need KFLDRAPP?

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« Reply #264 on: October 23, 2019, 12:24:26 PM »

16 is ok. Or 8 and then set the high throttle position to same value.
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« Reply #265 on: October 23, 2019, 01:13:13 PM »

16 is ok. Or 8 and then set the high throttle position to same value.


At my xdf I have only the LDRAPP map, hopefully at the right place Smiley Can I use the attached log's software for the calibration?
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« Reply #266 on: October 26, 2019, 10:55:22 AM »

Hi,

I've made the logs. Can somebody help me to find good kflidmx axis values?
Other question. What do you think about my WG spring strength? Or this characteristic is normal for a k03s?

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« Reply #267 on: October 26, 2019, 12:07:06 PM »

Hi,

I've made the logs. Can somebody help me to find good kflidmx axis values?
Other question. What do you think about my WG spring strength? Or this characteristic is normal for a k03s?

Thanks

I've change KFLDIMX axis. Is this good?
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« Reply #268 on: October 26, 2019, 12:46:53 PM »

I read all 18 pages in this topic, and still not sure how to take logs. What logs i need to use in the GUI tool ? From what i understand i need to change WGDC map(KFLDRL). First when i use 10% everywhere. After that 20% everywhere, than 30,40,50,60,70,80%. Also i need to make LDDIMXN map to 0 everywhere. Am i right or no ?

Ok.I help you.For log leave KFLDRL and KFLDIMX map oryginal values only change KFLDRAPP map. It is 8x8 map so change only 4 last row. Ex 70%, 80%, 90% and 100% PED values and set there in map percent of DC which you want (Ad you now 10% , 20%, 30% ....etc. ) and save all files as new ( dont overwrite).For LDRPID tool you need 9 files ( log 0% of DC too) and after that set KFLDIMX map as linear ( in 3D view straight line) and then put this one row (all are the same ) to LDRPID tool where is KFLDIMX map (and set axis as you has in your file) and set KFLDRL DC axis as you has in your file and then set RPM scale of main map (you can have other values ) and then load folder with your 9 files (logs) and click GENERATE. Then copy generated map to your tune (KFLDRL map) and flash tune to your car and make logs (don't forget about checksum before you flash your tune.
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« Reply #269 on: October 27, 2019, 06:26:54 AM »

Hi,

I've made the changes and run test. Currently I'm facing with overshoot issues. With the D parameter change can I avoid these high overshoots?

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