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« on: October 30, 2017, 03:19:40 PM »

I've been recently adding more tables to xdf and making revisions figured I'd post here with follow ups on file as defining goes.

Validation of tables is welcome as well as additions.
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« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2017, 03:23:33 PM »

Thanks for sharing man! I'll see if I can add to it. Marty was nice enough to help me find some maps that weren't included in the existing xdf/kps around...
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« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2017, 07:55:06 AM »

I've been recently adding more tables to xdf and making revisions figured I'd post here with follow ups on file as defining goes.

Validation of tables is welcome as well as additions.
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« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2017, 07:57:30 AM »

Thanks for sharing man! I'll see if I can add to it. Marty was nice enough to help me find some maps that weren't included in the existing xdf/kps around...

Would you happen to know locations for any of these or there me7.5 specific identities?

AHKATMN
AHKATMX
AHKATS
AHKATSB
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« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2017, 03:00:18 PM »

I'll take a look at what I have sir. Stand by.
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« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2017, 01:37:10 PM »

Interesting 1x1s to review when I get a chance from checking out a 518F file with known close matching KP Also I'm using winols demo and couldn't get another copy of winols new enough to work with KP so I couldn't export straight into CSV perhaps If i validate the 1x1s we absolutely need I can provide offsets.

the search would be a tad more direct with a ME7.5 FR but 7.1 is better than nothing  Smiley

USHKAMNW:     Sondenspannung hinter Kat für Erkennung Kat ist mit O2 gefüllt (Word)
USHKAMXW:     Sondenspannung hinter Kat für Abbruch Kat-Ausräumen (Word)
TMSH:     Motortemperaturschwelle für Erkennung Kaltstart für Messung Sonde hinter KAT
TSALASH:     Zeit nach Schub für Überprüfung Sonde hinter KAT
TUSHKVL:     Verzögerungszeit für Störspitzen bei Vollastprüfung der Sonde hinter KAT
TUSMSVL:     Zeit nach Vollast für Überprüfung Sonde hinter KAT
USHKVL:     Schwellwert für Sondenspannung hinter KAT im Vollast-Betrieb
USHSTSOLL:     Schwelle für zulässige Steigung der Sondenspannung hinter KAT
APKTDI:     Anzahl der internen Prüfungen bei Katdiagnose
APKTDX:     Maximale Anzahl der Prüfungen bei Katdiagnose
CIDKATSP:     Component ID für Kat-Diagnose
CIDKATSPT:     Component ID für Kat-Diagnose bei Testerbetrieb
FIKTD:     Bewertungsfaktor des Kat-Ausräumintegrals bei Katdiagnose
FKTDFE:     Faktor Fetteintrag bei Katdiagnose
TMAXKATA:     Maximale Kat.-Temperatur für Ausräumprüfung bei Katdiagnose
TVKTDRX:     Maximale Fettzeit für hintere Sondenspannung bei Katdiagnose
FKTDGTV:     Katdiagnose:      Faktor für Temperaturgradientenabhängige Verzugszeit
NKTDUT:     Untere Drehzahlgrenze Katdiagnose bei Testerbetrieb
TMAXKATS:     maximale Kat-Temperatur für Kat-diagnose
TMINKATS:     Minimale Kat-Temperatur für Überwachung
TMNKATST:     Minimale Kat-Temperatur für Überwachung bei Testerbetrieb
TWDKATS:     Wartezeit nach Stoppbedingung für Filter und Integrator
TVMRFT:     Verzögerungszeit für Lambdasonde hinter Kat mager oder fett
USIVMAXH:     Init value für max.Sondenspg. hinter Kat nach Powerfail u. Fehlersp. löschen
USMNSHMN:     min. erkannte Sondenspannung hinter Kat für Signalausgabe (min. plaus. Wert)
USMXSHMN:     max. erkannte Sondenspannung hinter Kat für Signalausgabe (min. plaus. Wert)
USRHKSHJ:     Regelschwelle für Regelung hinter Kat, DLSSA-Ausgabe umgerechn. Wert
RLU4:     untere rl -Schwelle oberer multiplikativer Bereich
FKHABMN:     Schwelle Abregelfaktor Katheizen
MLKHMX:     max. Luftmasse für Katheizen
TKATSA:     Katalysator-Temperaturschwelle für Schubabschalten
NSLFAKAT:     Solldrehzahl bei Kurztrip Katdiagnose
NSLFALSV:     Solldrehzahl bei Kurztrip Lambdasonde vor Kat
NSLLSH:     Solldrehzahl bei Kurztrip Lambdasonde hinter Kat
RKATRN:     reduzierte untere Schwelle additive Korrektur pro Zeit
RKATRX:     reduzierte obere Schwelle additive Korrektur pro Zeit
RKATDN:     untere Diagnoseschwelle additive Korrektur pro Zeit
RKATDX:     obere Diagnoseschwelle additive Korrektur pro Zeit


Translated:

USHKAMNW: Probe voltage behind Kat for detection Kat is filled with O2 (Word)
USHKAMXW: Probe Voltage behind Kat for Demolition Cat Removal (Word)
TMSH: Motor temperature threshold for detection Cold start for measurement Probe behind CAT
TSALASH: Time to push for review probe behind CAT
TUSHKVL: Delay time for glitches at full load test of the probe behind CAT
TUSMSVL: time to full load for checking probe behind CAT
USHKVL: Threshold for probe voltage behind CAT in full load operation
USHSTSOLL: Threshold for allowable slope of probe voltage behind CAT
APKTDI: number of internal tests for cat diagnosis
APKTDX: Maximum number of tests in case of catdiagnosis
CIDKATSP: Component ID for cat diagnosis
CIDKATSPT: Component ID for cat diagnostics in tester mode
FIKTD: Assessment factor of the cat-outgrowth integral in catdiagnosis
FKTDFE: Factor fat entry in catdiagnosis
TMAXKATA: Maximum Cat. Temperature for Exhaustion Test for Cat Diagnostic
TVKTDRX: Maximum Grease Time for Rear Probe Voltage in Cat Diagnostic
FKTDGTV: Cat Diagnosis: Factor for temperature gradient-dependent delay time
NKTDUT: Lower speed limit Cat diagnostic in tester mode
TMAXKATS: maximum cat temperature for cat diagnosis
TMINKATS: Minimum Cat Temperature for Monitoring
TMNKATST: Minimum catalyst temperature for monitoring during tester operation
TWDKATS: Waiting time after stop condition for filter and integrator
TVMRFT: lambda probe lag time behind cat lean or rich
USIVMAXH: Init value for max. Probe. behind Kat after Powerfail u. Last Fault. Erase
USMNSHMN: min. detected probe voltage behind Kat for signal output (minimum plausible value)
USMXSHMN: max. detected probe voltage behind Kat for signal output (minimum plausible value)
USRHKSHJ: Control threshold for control behind Kat, DLSSA output converted. value
RLU4: lower rl threshold upper multiplicative range
FKHABMN: Threshold reduction factor for catalysis
MLKHMX: max. Air mass for Katheizen
TKATSA: Catalyst temperature threshold for fuel cut
NSLFAKAT: Target speed during short trip cat diagnosis
NSLFALSV: setpoint speed for short trip lambda probe before cat
NSLLSH: setpoint speed for short trip lambda probe behind cat
RKATRN: reduced lower threshold additive correction per time
RKATRX: reduced upper threshold additive correction per time
RKATDN: lower diagnostic threshold additive correction per time
RKATDX: upper diagnostic threshold additive correction per time

Anyone else that can pattern match at least can find some more and add to the xdf as well.
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« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2017, 03:38:52 PM »

I think these will be the most recent and more interesting 1:1s to research , found a few more by limiting search to "USHK"

USHKMR:  Sondenspannungs-Schwelle für Erkennung ""Abgas mager"" hinter Kat
USHKFT:  Sondenspannungs-Schwelle für Erkennung ""Abgas fett"" hinter Kat
TUSHKRFM:  Zeitdauer bis zur Freig. Wiederholungsmess. Schwingungspr. (Reset F/M-Flip-Flop)
USHKTDRX:  Maximalwert der hinteren Sondenspannung für Referenzmessung
USHKTDM:  Magerschwelle der hinteren Sonde bei Katdiagnose
USHKVL:  Schwellwert für Sondenspannung hinter KAT im Vollast-Betrieb
TUSHKVL:  Verzögerungszeit für Störspitzen bei Vollastprüfung der Sonde hinter KAT
USHKAMXW:  Sondenspannung hinter Kat für Abbruch Kat-Ausräumen (Word)
USHKAMNW:  Sondenspannung hinter Kat für Erkennung Kat ist mit O2 gefüllt (Word)
DUSHKHZK:  Schwelle für Delta Sondensspg. zur Überpr. Heizereinkoppl. auf Sondensig. h. KAT


Translated:
USHKMR: Probe voltage threshold for "exhaust lean" detection "behind Cat
USHKFT: Probe voltage threshold for detection "" exhaust gas rich "" behind cat
TUSHKRFM: Time until release. Repeat measurement. Schwingungspr. (Reset F / M flip-flop)
USHKTDRX: Maximum value of the rear probe voltage for reference measurement
USHKTDM: lean threshold of the rear probe in cat diagnosis
USHKVL: Threshold for probe voltage behind CAT in full load operation
TUSHKVL: Delay time for glitches at full load test of the probe behind CAT
USHKAMXW: Probe Voltage behind Kat for Demolition Cat Removal (Word)
USHKAMNW: Probe voltage behind Kat for detection Kat is filled with O2 (Word)
DUSHKHZK: Threshold for Delta Probesspg. to the review Heizereinkoppl. on Sondensig. H. KAT

Im going to figure these out if possible
USHKMR
USHKFT
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« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2017, 05:58:21 PM »

"$1DA12";"Zeitdauer bis zur Freig. Wiederholungsmess. Schwingungspr. (Reset F/M-Flip-Flop)";"TUSHKRFM";"1x1";""
"$1DBA4";"Sondenspannungs-Schwelle für Erkennung """"Abgas fett"""" hinter Kat";"USHKFT";"1x1";""
"$1DBA6";"Sondenspannungs-Schwelle für Erkennung """"Abgas mager"""" hinter Kat";"USHKMR";"1x1";""
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« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2017, 06:00:07 PM »

you should also set p420 dtc too 1C4B8 Wink
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« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2017, 06:04:53 PM »

you should also set p420 dtc too 1C4B8 Wink

Thanks!  Grin
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« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2017, 06:20:31 PM »

Thanks!  Grin
Anytime man. You do a good job listing your findings and i enjoy reading your posts.
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« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2017, 06:59:29 PM »

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« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2017, 02:00:01 PM »

Would anyone be able to verify MLMAX? I had initially thought I located the offset however after testing with vag-com it appears I may not have located the correct offset since P0103 popped up.
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« Reply #13 on: November 13, 2017, 04:22:18 PM »



I still have not been able to locate:
KFMLDMX - HFM threshold for B_maxflr diagnosis
MLMAX - maximum airflow

I've tried comparing a Audi TT BAM fully defined ols , comparing a stage 3 tuned 518AK 0004 SW version file that might have possibly had the tables altered (but chance they may have just done DTC code out after all). I tried using a defined 518F file with a few suspect offsets that are not dead on every single table and have also tried searching instances of known Lo/Hi value of 0x1518 (suspecting slight variance in value though so not exact); I got two results both poked to no avail.

Also tried searching using conversion factor to calculate possible value based on logging MAF and using RPM range I saw traction light come up at (5000-6000) and figured 540 kg/hr to 800 kg/hr was fair to search however results were obviously too plentiful in winols. I tried taking the entire KFMLDMX lo/hi 16 bit table from BAM into search with 3000-4000 decimal u/d and found trends but none of the data made sense when offset was placed into xdf. kg/h did not make sense at over 300-400 early range of table or a couple thousand kg/h at end of table.

KFMLDMX is not well defined at all in 518F file btw so even less to work with ; I tried moving offsets over by ones and by doubles all over that approximate area up and down it was originally defined in kp since it appeared to show like a table with improper lo/hi set up but nothing appeared to line up either axises included. 

I limited my search range to specific ranges and tried basing searches of surrounding tables and order of them. KFWDKMSN for example is next major table after MLMAX in 518F file; tried searching around for plausible values and a pattern but was not close enough to match regardless. 0x1D1EE is where MLMAX is located in 518F file but I tried poking the same value 0x128D6 and 0x1298A in 518AK 003 file without success which i'm suspecting KFMLDMX is mainly where I should be searching for however could be a red-herring since i don't know for a fact that 0x1518 is the value to be searching for in this sw revision anyway 0003.

I calculated the difference of the values and converted it to decimal so I would be able to input it into winols' search u/d boxes btw

mean time heres an xdf update with other revisions and additions.
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« Reply #14 on: November 13, 2017, 11:05:46 PM »

I noticed in 518F that table was defined as 8x9 and did not appear correctly however after reading 
http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?action=;topic=750.0 I compared offset and found location that was similar. Weird things i've noticed between versions is RPM axis varies either 8 bit or 16 bit in files with obviously different factors 518AK appears to be 8 bit rpm axis. Also to get the data to graphically fit i changed from 8x8 to 8x9 it just looked so odd before and this appears to be the guy can anyone verify if it's indeed 0x1E5D0?

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