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Leon Curpa Stg1+



http://s4wiki.com/wiki/Fuel_injectors#cite_note-3 Smiley

KVB is a constant that is used to define the pulse width sent to the cluster for consumption readout. It is linked to flow rate.
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I did an actual mileage check and it matches with the cluster. Did 98 kms to 7.38Ltrs of petrol , cluster reading was 7.7ltrs/100 km for the same. Kvb was left on stock.
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What were you getting previously (according to calculation, I don't care about the cluster numbers)?
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I cannot say what my mileage would have been as this run was on a totally new route . If my cluster readings are to be believed then there is very substantial difference in mileage when running lean with torque reserve reduced  as I have posted earlier. Honestly I find these figures hard to believe- but as you see better figures in the cluster you tend to try and better it and drive carefully, that may be one of the reasons. I wanted to check whether my cluster was off as I had changed my KRKTE by 10%, looks accurate to me.
My brother used to drive every day to office on stock tune and his figures were like 11l/100km, now its like 8l/100km  Huh.
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OK. I've spent the last week on this issue (theoretically) for wideband cars there's a point in LAMKO-LAMDSK that sets lamdiag_w=1 when no diagnostic functions are active. The value makes it to the end if there are no other <1 values from the other enrichment functions (LAMFA,LAMBT, etc). In the end lamdiag_w doesn't get MIN with 1, so it makes it as is to lamsons_w as long as it's within lamlgm and lamlgfmn and outside of LAMSOSUF and LAMSOSOF. Those 4 limits/thresolds are fine stock.

So, all that to say this: by changing the one mov line from
mov RAM_lamdiag_w, #1000h
to
mov RAM_lamdiag_w, #10C2h (15.4AFR)

We might be able to idle/cruise lean while maintaining a calibrated LALIUS

BTW, how lean can one run? LAMLGMKT/LAMLGMTM = 1.1 in my AMB ori, but I can change that.
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i am running 1.14 @ultra low loads <40% >1.10<55%> and 1.00 > 75% then i use lamfa for enriching for loads above 120% so 1.14 to 1.12 is fine for low load part throttle cruising not good for iddle though
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^^What car?
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and how are you achieving this? and why is a lean idle not good?
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i am running 1.14 @ultra low loads <40% >1.10<55%> and 1.00 > 75% then i use lamfa for enriching for loads above 120% so 1.14 to 1.12 is fine for low load part throttle cruising not good for iddle though

if using LAMFA then are you still closed loop? are you using an adjusted wideband to just alter the input to the ECU? How else would you get LAMBDA above one.
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you can dissable closed loop to acheive lambda >1.00 and then lamfa in closed loop to enrich as needed. my fault i just saw the topic was for me 7.1. i have me7.5 wideband. sorry.
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There are me7.5 discussion is hear as well. just need to identify which one applies to your comments.

So, how are you requesting 1.14-1.10 during open-loop?
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i am using kflf to adjust the mixture.
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OK. I've spent the last week on this issue (theoretically) for wideband cars there's a point in LAMKO-LAMDSK that sets lamdiag_w=1 when no diagnostic functions are active. The value makes it to the end if there are no other <1 values from the other enrichment functions (LAMFA,LAMBT, etc). In the end lamdiag_w doesn't get MIN with 1, so it makes it as is to lamsons_w as long as it's within lamlgm and lamlgfmn and outside of LAMSOSUF and LAMSOSOF. Those 4 limits/thresolds are fine stock.

So, all that to say this: by changing the one mov line from
mov RAM_lamdiag_w, #1000h
to
mov RAM_lamdiag_w, #10C2h (15.4AFR)

We might be able to idle/cruise lean while maintaining a calibrated LALIUS

BTW, how lean can one run? LAMLGMKT/LAMLGMTM = 1.1 in my AMB ori, but I can change that.

I implemented this today on a 032HS box. changed it from 1.00 to 1.086. It gave me the lean Target AFR I was looking for. However, there were two issues.

lambas was off making my O2 regulation based off something else... i.e. I expected O2reg to be the same before and after change, but O2reg was -17% which means its cal was not changed with the edit. The edit only changes lamsons_w and doesn't address lambas which I bet O2reg uses.

Also, I didn't see any activity from LAMFA that I made sure to add back in.

So all I saw was 1.086 target execpt for inj cut off/overrun. then I saw target AFR = LASOAB.

Still working on it.


Also, I'm not happy with LAMFA only being a 8bit map. The resolution is not that great. I can't request just a hair under 14.7. The highest I can request that under 14.7 is 14.585. I can't just request 14.69 to get back to near 14.7...

edit... as I type that last statement I realize DLAMFAW is my issue with LAMFA. DLAMFAW = 0.0313 and my LAMFA delta from 1.0 is 0.0078125. Without decreasing DLAMFAW, LAMFA will not activate until LAMFA < 14.24
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« Reply #58 on: November 22, 2021, 04:44:18 AM »

Ive accumulated the "LAMBDIAG" address for a few different files, ill list them at the end. the only other things ive found needed is to set LAMLGMKT/LAMLGMTM high enough. BTS fueling should be able to request lambda>1 so you can request whatever lambda, wherever you want as long as its lower than lambdiag, but lamfa would be nice if someone could figure that out.

8e0909518ak 368072:  0x72456  offset- X*0.0002441406
8e0909518al 386802: 0x72F1A
4b0906018ch 360101: 0x6654A
4b0906018dp: 0x5F8B0
b5 s4 m-box: 0x3bfb2
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« Reply #59 on: December 08, 2022, 05:35:17 AM »

ive probably studied the fuel economy topic more than others on here so i want to post some stuff.

 Ive accumulated the "LAMBDIAG" address for a few different files, ill list them at the end. the only other things ive found needed is to set LATRO high enough, set LAMLGMKT/LAMLGMTM high enough and make sure any other enrichment functions are high enough. bts fueling should be able to request lambda>1 so you can pinpoint your whatever lambda, wherever you want.

Dont forget to add some ignition timing for the areas you run lean at. it takes quite a bit more advance to get lean mixtures to spark. lean mixtures also burn slower, so to reap any worthy mpg gains you have to add some timing. On e85 at 18:1 gas calibrated afr i was at about 50° of advance highway cruising and it ran beautifully up to 20:1 afr as long as i had enough advance. More advance will always result in less misfires because the plug sparks at a point when there's less pressure in the chamber vs sparking at tdc where you get misfires constantly. my idle at 18afr is actually smoother than it was at 14.7 btw, my timings around 25° for idle. i get >20 city mpg in my a4 1.8t quattro on e85 without trying.

Did you know e85 knox emissions are far lower at afrs closer to 20:1 than they are at "stoich"?

8e0909518ak 368072:  0x72456  offset- X*0.0002441406
8e0909518al 386802: 0x72F1A
4b0906018ch 360101: 0x6654A
4b0906018dp: 0x5F8B0
b5 s4 m-box: 0x3bfb2

if anybody sees this thatd be nice to update the original post with these addresses for people like myself


Didn't find "LATRO" on my file, but are you saying for set these maps for desired target for narrowband that already had USR tricked?
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