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« Reply #15 on: February 03, 2020, 04:44:40 PM »

Current bin, pulled fresh from the ECM this morning
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« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2020, 04:46:46 PM »

And a log file from this morning, from startup through some surface streets, some freeway, back to surface streets.  Also, for whatever it's worth the LTFT's after running around all morning were 5.6% idle / 3.9% partial throttle...
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« Reply #17 on: February 28, 2020, 06:26:48 PM »

Alright, I've getting back on this after a couple weeks in Prague seeing the sights, eating excellent food, drinking lots of beer and looking at all the Škodas running around.  =D

Had some leakage at the injector spacers because I'd put the wrong o-rings on them, fixed that.  Billet injector cups showed got here while I was out of town so those were installed at the same time, and miraculously the OG plastic cups just unscrewed with no drama and only minor breakage on one.  Stuck the other three on the shelf for "might need someday" use on another project.  Also fixed a slight vacuum leak on the hose from the N249 to the vacuum reservoir, and put a new N75 valve on because I've been suspicious of it for a while and had a "spare" 058906283C on the shelf.

I put together a fresh bin and THIS TIME wrote down everything I did so I wouldn't have to remember.  Roll Eyes  KRKTE and TVUB left alone for now (stock AWM injectors).
ESKONF is AA FF 00 F0 FF FB 3F.  Along with the changes to ESKONF, zeroed CLALDPE & CDLDP to disable the LDP, zeroed CDSLS & MSLBAS to disable SAI along with zeroing out the MSLUB table.  Also zeroed CDNWS and edited the KFNWSE, KFNWKHE and KFNWKRE tables to be all 18's to disable VVT for now.  I can always put them back when I'm sure the VVT tensioner is working correctly, possibly with some tweeks for the 10*deg retarded intake cam timing I have from the reverse-rotation build.  Not sure if I'll bother, I was happy running without VVT for two years on the AEB harness.  Still need to figure out how to get rid of the P1523 and P1650 DTCs caused by the complete lack of CANBUS on a 1975 VW, and maybe even figure out how to eliminate the P1606 caused by the lack of ABS.  Grin

Going to do some runs this weekend with ME7L going.  Suggestions on what to log?
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« Reply #18 on: February 29, 2020, 06:06:48 PM »

Going to do some runs this weekend with ME7L going.  Suggestions on what to log?

http://files.s4wiki.com/ME7L-ecu/8D0907551M-typical.cfg
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« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2020, 04:05:36 PM »

Managed to do some logging the other day, but I'm not sure what I'm looking at here, and it keeps timing out when I try to attach files.  Hope this works:

http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=70674587326928733217
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« Reply #20 on: March 12, 2020, 06:37:11 PM »

Managed to do some logging the other day, but I'm not sure what I'm looking at here, and it keeps timing out when I try to attach files.  Hope this works:

http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=70674587326928733217


try zipping it before you upload, not gonna dload that
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« Reply #21 on: March 12, 2020, 06:38:37 PM »

Those are useless.

floor it from 2500 to redline in a single gear.
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« Reply #22 on: March 13, 2020, 02:44:29 PM »

I'll probably have to get out in the boonies or up in the middle of the night to do that I think, but I'll give it a go as soon as I can.  There's two Walmarts, a Costco, a Target, a Trader Joes, a couple of Whole Foods-type places and a few other giant "everything" stores within like two miles of my house, so all the roads and freeways are clogged up with suburban Karen-types going around panic-buying everything they can lay their hands on...

Thanks for being patient.
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« Reply #23 on: March 13, 2020, 03:50:25 PM »

I'll probably have to get out in the boonies or up in the middle of the night to do that I think, but I'll give it a go as soon as I can.  There's two Walmarts, a Costco, a Target, a Trader Joes, a couple of Whole Foods-type places and a few other giant "everything" stores within like two miles of my house, so all the roads and freeways are clogged up with suburban Karen-types going around panic-buying everything they can lay their hands on...

Thanks for being patient.


You can do it in 2nd if you must. for 90% of boost control and base fuel tuning you really only care about spool and 2/3 of the way to redline.

redline for fine tuning BTS, high rpm timing, etc.
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« Reply #24 on: April 09, 2020, 11:18:54 AM »

So my wife and I took turns the last few weeks, first her then me, being laid up sick with "probably mild COVID-019" so I wasn't able to get out and try to run better/more useful logs until yesterday morning and some more non-logged driving later in the day. I think the log with the earliest timestamp might be the most useful of the three because I didn't have to slow before getting to 4000rpm but not sure.

I did have time to think on things some, and while I think I understand that the KFNWSE, KFNWKHE, KFNWKRE etc. tables are the degrees before/after TDC that the intake valves open with the VVT, does that have any effect on ignition and injector timing?  Or are those entirely separate with the cam, crank and knock sensor inputs?   It came to mind mostly because my intake valve opening events are (VVT off) at 8deg instead of (VVT off) at 18deg from the reverse-rotation build, and it isn't mechanically "fixable" without monkeying with the chain sprocket on the intake cam.  If those values do impact the ignition and injector timing calculations, would it be better in my case to change them to reflect when the intake valves actually open relative to TDC?  I spent a fair amount of time while sick staring at the funktionsrahmen trying to understand that and figure it out for myself, but between being sick and being a n00b ... I'm kinda lost.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #25 on: April 09, 2020, 11:32:35 AM »

Stock timing is fine for most things. Don't mess with it.

It is conservative at high load, thats about it. You're overthinking things again. At most maybe 4 or 5 cells need to be changed. At your boost levels (stock) they are fine as is.

The non WOT logs are useless. Don't bother posting those until you're ready to do part throttle tuning (and generally you wont, stock is fine for 99% of part throttle)

Finally, I'm unclear on what your goals are. If you aren't going to change boost request, its pretty pointless to do any logging unless you're trying to diagnose an actual problem.
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« Reply #26 on: April 09, 2020, 09:29:03 PM »

I'm not sure if there's an actual problem or not -- that's what I'm trying to figure out.  By and large it generally runs pretty good, but there's some .. weird .. stuff going on that I'm trying to understand and sort out.

It runs roughly and records many misfires across all four cylinders after flashing or clearing codes, until it's been run long enough to adapt.  It's "stutter-y" and hesitates from off-idle up to around 15-1600RPM, more when cold but even when warmed up to some extent.  It sort of bogs and falls on it's face when I mash the pedal to WOT no matter what gear or engine RPM.  It seems to hit some sort of a "limp mode" if the boost hits more than about 15-16PSI as read on a VDO gauge that's tee'd in between the manifold and FPR; after it hits that "wall" it's very noticeably down on power but clears up with 10-15 minutes of driving.  Haven't had that happen and been able to get the computer hooked up before it goes away, but there's no code set.  In 4th and 5th gear it doesn't want to go much past 3000RPM no matter what I do, even on flat ground. 

I never had any of that with the AEB harness/ECM on the motor.  No misfires/misfire codes, no KS codes, good power and pull all the way up to 5000+RPM on flat ground no matter what gear, boost never went above 10-12PSI -- which has me suspect something related to the WB conversion, ether the AWM harness I used (though I've checked it over it wire-by-wire multiple times), something "not right" in the ECM/tune, or something that was swapped or added to work with the harness that's not functioning correctly.  I changed the MAF, injectors (which we know had me going round and round for a while .. because I'm a dumbass), throttle body, ECM, harness, and changed the upstream O2 sensor for a wideband. Added the DBW pedal from an '03 Jetta 1.8T, added the MAP sensor between the intercooler and TB, swapped the cam sensor ring, re-pinned the harness plugs for knock and crank sensors to match the motor because the sensors are all fairly new. I added the N249 valve between the intake and the N75 (N112/SAI off in ESKONF) but otherwise left all the existing vacuum, evap and vent hoses alone.  Same ignition coils as before (I had an ICM delete), same turbo/wastegate, same intercooler, same alloy diverter valve, same 4-bar FPR.  In the course of this thread I've upgraded the fuel pump to ensure good pressure and volume, and since January replaced the N75 again, this time with a new "C" version.  SAI deleted (no port in head), brake booster pump deleted and off in ESKONF.  Harness is from an A/T car, no clutch switch but the brake switch is installed and wired up and the ECM coded for manual.

I'm just trying to explain where I'm at in as much detail as I can think of.  I hope I'm not muddying things up too much doing so.



I wasn't planning to mess with the timing, just wondering if the difference between actual intake cam timing and "expected" cam timing values in the VVT tables might be having an effect on timing, even with VVT turned off in the ECM.  I do have the VVT tensioner on the motor, but it runs much better with it turned off in the tune and unplugged.

I'll try and get some good WOT logs, but it might be tricky.  Oregon's been on a statewide partial lockdown for nearly a month with no end date in sight, and I live right in Portland where there aren't many good places to drive the way I need for that other than the freeway, unless I get way way out of town.  With my health still not being even 80% yet, I don't know if I can get my wife to go along with me getting very far from home for a couple of weeks no matter what the reason.
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« Reply #27 on: April 09, 2020, 10:36:18 PM »

Stick with the basics, get idle trims right, make sure it doesn't misfire during warm up or just sitting. then do the same for part throttle. You don't need to worry about anything except preventing/solving all DTCs (yes all of them) get fuel trims to zero, and dont get ANY misfires. literally nothing else matters at the moment. Not boost, not timing, VVT (seriously dude, are you really sweating that at the moment?) none of that. You don't need a lot of room for this on the road.

Fix a single issue at a time. Make a single change in the ECU at a time. Don't fight every single issue simultaneously.

I'm guessing your fueling is completely fucked up because you didn't get any of it right.

When you are ready for WOT, you still dont need any real clear long road unless you have a very fast car that runs through 2nd too fast. It sounds like you have a POS so there is literally no way you're going to run out of space or not have a long enough pull in just 2nd.

In any case, there are a ton of hidden problems you may have with this conversion; not sure what your motivation for the swap was, but it doesn't seem like a good idea.
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« Reply #28 on: April 10, 2020, 09:35:33 AM »

why do you have the n249 between the intake and the n75 when it goes between the intake and the diverter? Anyone else catch that?
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« Reply #29 on: April 10, 2020, 09:57:34 AM »

why do you have the n249 between the intake and the n75 when it goes between the intake and the diverter? Anyone else catch that?


Good catch that is an odd routing
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