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« on: March 06, 2020, 07:02:23 AM »

I have a 2002 GTI with a Gonzo GTT hybrid turbo installed. I have been working on the tune and am making 23-26 psi from 2,800-redline. It has been near 32 degrees outside during this time so intake air temperature with the stock side mount intercooler has not been a problem, but summer is right around the corner so heat is going to be a problem. The car is daily driven stop and go on a 55mph road. I’m really stuck on which direction to go. WM with stock intercooler or FMIC? Thanks in advance for the experience/opinions.

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« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2020, 07:37:23 AM »

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« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2020, 08:12:58 AM »

WMI = you have to worry about how much you have yet, when finished you can´t keep pushing hard

FMIC = vary with weather (when really hot will not be so efective as WMI) but allways present...
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« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2020, 08:23:54 AM »

WMI, if done correctly will always make more power, because besides having MUCH lower IAT, you will also have MUCH better timing.
As for running out - unless you're beating it on the track, you won't be using more than 3-4L per fuel tank. If driving long distance normally, you won't be using it at all.
I usually mount it in the windshield wiper tank and you use more fluid for the windshield wipers than for WMI in bad weather.

You can also have a proper WMI kit with failsafe and add switching to rear o2...

There is always much more potential with WMI. For those who have actually ran a proper WMI kit and tuned for it, this question is a total no-brainer.
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« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2020, 10:09:21 AM »

WMI, if done correctly will always make more power, because besides having MUCH lower IAT, you will also have MUCH better timing.
As for running out - unless you're beating it on the track, you won't be using more than 3-4L per fuel tank. If driving long distance normally, you won't be using it at all.
I usually mount it in the windshield wiper tank and you use more fluid for the windshield wipers than for WMI in bad weather.

You can also have a proper WMI kit with failsafe and add switching to rear o2...

There is always much more potential with WMI. For those who have actually ran a proper WMI kit and tuned for it, this question is a total no-brainer.

Agree on all accounts, my experience mirrors what prj said.

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« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2020, 10:57:24 AM »

So water meth it is. To be honest I’m glad to not have to add gobs of boost piping under the hood, nor am I a huge fan of the giant intercooler out front. Stock looking is way more my style at this point. Any preference on specific brands/must have features?? Amazon has a snow performance kit for $255 shipped. Looks like a simple on/off boost switch that I would set up for WOT boost levels is included with that kit. Some of the more expensive kits have a progressive controller, but it seems like the safety features built in to ME7 would make that unnecessary for spirited daily driving???
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« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2020, 11:11:51 AM »

If you are tuning for it and using it properly, then the only thing that you should look at is Aquamist HFS-3.
Everything else you can just fit a small nozzle that won't affect afr as much.

There's a massive difference between running a cheap kit with a pressure switch and a proper kit progressive with flow (not boost, those are bs), and that you are actively tuning for and taking advantage of.
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« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2020, 04:05:09 PM »

I have a 2002 GTI with a Gonzo GTT hybrid turbo installed. I have been working on the tune and am making 23-26 psi from 2,800-redline. It has been near 32 degrees outside during this time so intake air temperature with the stock side mount intercooler has not been a problem, but summer is right around the corner so heat is going to be a problem. The car is daily driven stop and go on a 55mph road. I’m really stuck on which direction to go. WM with stock intercooler or FMIC? Thanks in advance for the experience/opinions.

Justin

How well does the stock SMIC cool and what kind of pressure drop does it cause?

My preference would be to address poor intercooling with a better IC than to install a WMI kit.
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« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2020, 03:56:12 PM »

Thank you everyone for the opinions. After some further research and keeping my goals in mind I ordered a front mount kit from CTS turbo today. Hooray for tax return sales. Saved me $100. 
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