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« on: April 27, 2012, 09:30:24 AM »

I have been trying for days to get my actual lambda to meet requested.  I have been bumping the KRKTE up and I have been bumping up KFKHFM on the higher load areas.  The car runs REALLY lean in boost.  Can someone take a peek and let me know what you think, and possibly point me in a direction to fix the problem?

CSV LOG, ECUX LOG, and latest revision of my tune attached.
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« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2012, 02:20:38 PM »

Are these correct? both requested and actual seem miles off for both load and Boost..
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« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2012, 04:47:55 PM »

1) Consider using the filter option.

You are using 2nd gear, so set the filter to look for 2nd gear

2) Consider using 3rd gear

Your log isn't very long (time wise)

3) I don't see that you are running lean (compared to your req afr). Do you have a wideband?
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« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2012, 05:25:19 PM »

I don't have my laptop handy but when I do I will check out the file, in the mean time what did you change?
Did your lc1 reset?  If it did its going to be whacked and you have to reprogram.  What's the wideband reporting?

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« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2012, 05:47:43 PM »

Maybe I don't understand my log.  I was watching my O2 sensor voltages and they seem to et around .937ish at the lowest point.  I   thought that was around 13.xx af at peak load.  This is pretty much the trend in all my recent logs.  No matter how much I bump KRKTE or KHLFM (SP) it doesn't give me what I thought I was looking for.

Changes I have made that affect afr.....I think it was just the screen shot you posted in the lamfa thread.  I pretty much copied it trying to figure out this lean condition.  I have also been messing with the table I mentioned in the first post.....adding on the higher load areas trying to.get more fuel, and pulling from the areas around 30-60% load to help with trims on the highway.

I didnt know the lc-1 could reset. I assumed since its still reading narrowband on putn outputs that its still set.  I do recalibrate it every time I pull the battery though.
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« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2012, 08:29:00 PM »

Never EVER trust narrow band voltages. Get a wideband. Get a proper log (3rd).

What are your LTFTs?
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« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2012, 10:34:13 PM »

It's a lc-1 emulating the two narrowband sensors.  I have a lm-1 that I can run too.  It's a bit nicer than the lc-1 setup since it isn't relying on system grounds to give me a actual reading.  Both of the lc-1 outputs are being used to satisfy the ecm.  I haven't used the lc-1 for logging yet.  Don't know how.  I just used it to eyeball afr. 
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« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2012, 12:36:53 PM »

1) Consider using the filter option.

You are using 2nd gear, so set the filter to look for 2nd gear

2) Consider using 3rd gear

Your log isn't very long (time wise)

3) I don't see that you are running lean (compared to your req afr). Do you have a wideband?

Where is the filter option?  How long of a pull should I log?
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« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2012, 07:32:45 PM »

the filter option in ecuxplot....

youll want to log 3000 to redline, ideally
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« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2012, 02:52:16 PM »

I cant get ECUXPLOT to work for me.  I spent a hour or so a while ago trying to get my logs to display on the graphs, and they just wouldnt.

AND......I am a dumb a$$.  I hooked up the LM-1 and AFR are as desired.  I can now start dialing back my KRKTE since my LTFT are retarded right now because I have adding fuel. 

Next is the load issue.  I have noticed that my load never really matches.  Its always requesting much more load than actual.  Even at cruise its rewuesting around 119, while actual at cruise is around 40-60.  How do you line this up? 
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« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2012, 04:32:04 PM »

I cant get ECUXPLOT to work for me.  I spent a hour or so a while ago trying to get my logs to display on the graphs, and they just wouldnt.

Did you read the FAQ? Did you configure your filter to match the gear you're logging? Why are you logging 2nd?

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Next is the load issue.  I have noticed that my load never really matches.  Its always requesting much more load than actual.  Even at cruise its rewuesting around 119, while actual at cruise is around 40-60.  How do you line this up?  

without knowing more about your MAF setup and/or the scaling you are using, or your KFMIRL, there's no way of saying. typically it doesn't matter much. you can run an underscaled maf just fine most of the time.
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« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2012, 09:35:54 PM »

Did you read the FAQ? Did you configure your filter to match the gear you're logging? Why are you logging 2nd?

without knowing more about your MAF setup and/or the scaling you are using, or your KFMIRL, there's no way of saying. typically it doesn't matter much. you can run an underscaled maf just fine most of the time.


85mm Maf, same scale as the Nefmoto stg 3.  KFMIRL is in the bin I uploaded in the first post. 

Link to FAQ please.  I downloaded it from your link and didnt see a FAQ. 

I think the log I posted earlier was 2nd and 3rd gear. 

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« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2012, 10:17:02 PM »

http://nefariousmotorsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=1714.msg16497#msg16497
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« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2012, 10:40:23 PM »

Duh, I shoulda known its in the forum I never go in.    THANKS!
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« Reply #14 on: April 30, 2012, 06:37:51 AM »

I left the LM-1 connected and watched the AFR on the highway today on my way to work.  THey stayed at 14.3-14.9 range.  I am going to call this good for now.  The voltage reading from my LM-1 are spot on for the AFR I was running, and this is what I expected from the LC-1.  I just dont understand how the ECU gets the right AFR if the o2 reorts something wacky.  Or maybe it isnt reporting wacky numbers, and I just dont understand what is going on. 

I also noticed that my LTFT didnt work.  They stayed all zero.  I am Ok with that, when the LTFT do actually kick in it usually splits my banks to where one bank is adding and the other bank is removing almoost the same amount.   I can actually feel it when the split goes over 10%, and as a result I have to keep my laptop in the passengers seat with VCDS open and reset the DTC's to clear out the LTFT.  This morning there was none of the crap, and it was actually quite nice having one less thing to worry about.
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