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marantzvieta
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« Reply #45 on: Today at 06:50:17 AM »

I wonder how anyone could get any more with stock turbo. The 180hp variant runs at about 140g/s MAF at full power. See attachment...  Huh Huh Huh

THIS is why i wanted you to post it here. 140g/s for a 180hp tune is low. A healthy 150hp must flow about 130g/s at redline, a healthy 180hp should flow 150g/s at redline. You might have a vacuum or boost leak, maybe a defective component somwhere... this is why you are having underboost issues and not reaching requested loads.

My car has reached 130g/s with 150hp tune, 152g/s with 180hp tune, and now I am flowing 164g/s at 5700rpm and 169g/s at 6300rpm. Which I believe to be the absolute reliable limit to stock k03 turbo.

To estimate power it is said through the internet to use maf reading/0.8 but I consider this calculation too optimistic as 130g/s would translate to 162hp. I use mafreading*1,2 which translates 130g/s to 156hp (more accurate on my perspective). Same for 180hp, do the maths. 169g/s*1,2 is 203hp, which I belive to be accurate when running against similar power/weight cars.

Smoke test your car and make a thorough check. Untill you don't get those values with stock tunes, do not tune any further.

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« Reply #46 on: Today at 01:22:14 PM »

THIS is why i wanted you to post it here. 140g/s for a 180hp tune is low. A healthy 150hp must flow about 130g/s at redline, a healthy 180hp should flow 150g/s at redline. You might have a vacuum or boost leak, maybe a defective component somwhere... this is why you are having underboost issues and not reaching requested loads.

My car has reached 130g/s with 150hp tune, 152g/s with 180hp tune, and now I am flowing 164g/s at 5700rpm and 169g/s at 6300rpm. Which I believe to be the absolute reliable limit to stock k03 turbo.
Sorry there was some misunderstanding, I was just wondering how any real figures above 180hp would be possible with a stock k03, but then Leonhard pointed out that my compressor map was wrong. I believe the car has the K03 with 2072 compressor which looks much better than the 1870. I did one more log and it seems it works acceptably well. The slight underboost happens between 2.5 and 3.5 krpm for 3rd gear pull. For 4th gear its better, and for 5th gear it is almost perfect. This looks like a job for PID tuning, but I don't even know any other maps except ZSOLLDRN. I think I will just leave it as is...

Edit: About ZSOLLDRN... It says "Boost Control Filter Time Constant for Low Pass". I know what is a time constant of a low pass filter, but low pass where? The feedback loop can contain more lowpass filters...

-Jan
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