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« Reply #60 on: February 05, 2014, 10:36:08 AM »

That`s what I am talking about (its always better with loggs huh ? )

It is obviously tuned ,specified load @ 11,6 from 2.400 rpm ,actual load is struggling and lots of Knock Retardation.

But what about Injectors ? They are stuck at 16.32 .




Well ,because last several posts are not about M3.8  Grin I will bump this up Cool
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« Reply #61 on: February 05, 2014, 12:52:23 PM »

max load value = 256/20 = 12,8ms

Never search specific M3.8.3, but normally lambda systens can enrich 27,5%  (25% in normal conditions plus 2,5%)

12,8 x 1,275 = 16,32ms

Obvioulsy it´s the same "monkey Jump" thing...   the moon can´t be higher than 16,32ms.

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« Reply #62 on: February 05, 2014, 01:25:21 PM »

let´s make a deal... You said what you believe it´s the true, I said what I believe it´s true... when some Bosch engineer state one is wrong or rigth we start talking these topic again.

I´m not here to prove anything, just learn and teach one or two things if I can...

Your formulas with desired load are incorrect. Your translation of load to torque is incorrect also.
This is not how ICE's work. More load does not always equal more torque on a gasoline engine, just as more injected quantity does not always equal more torque on a diesel engine.
There are mechanical components in an engine, and your "load is higher 15% so torque is higher 15%" formulas are utterly ridiculous, as they have absolutely nothing to do with a real world scenario. In reality, you can in many cases increase load by 20% and the torque will increase 1-2%.
This is also the reason why KFMIRL in ME7 is a map and not a single line. As well as the reason that doubling cylinder charge never equals double the torque on any internal combustion engine. Same reason why nm->iq maps on diesel are nowhere close to linear.

Also, speaking about torque on M3.8 has absolutely no relevance to anything about the engine. There is no torque used on this management system for spark and fuel. Yes, it can output it in measuring blocks by going through a conversion map, but that's it. It does not request torque, it reacts to the cylinder charge which you create by pulling the throttle cable, just as every system before it.

There is no translation from load to torque without taking into account a plethora of other factors.
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« Reply #63 on: February 05, 2014, 01:33:15 PM »

max load value = 256/20 = 12,8ms

Never search specific M3.8.3, but normally lambda systens can enrich 27,5%  (25% in normal conditions plus 2,5%)
There is not a such cap on enrichment on this ECU. Also last I checked the maximum 8 bit value was 255, and not 256.

However, if you know something about KWP1281...

IPW = 0.001*a*b
a is fixed to 64.

0.001*64*255 = 16.32

I recommend to stop caring about this number and tune afr via wideband.
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« Reply #64 on: February 06, 2014, 09:29:29 AM »

ok thank you both for your replies , I have never seen IPW "capped" before ,so I had to ask
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« Reply #65 on: February 07, 2014, 04:46:50 AM »

Hello. I have a question. What is N75 map called? As the ECU controls the valve N75 in me 3.8.3?
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